Steel framed shed house

Can anyone point me in the direction of finding more information on converting steel framed sheds into a house ? Are there company that do it or is it simply do it yourself ? I have a 45x120 shed erected 20 years ago in good order in a stunning location, anyone have any thoughts?
 

mo!

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You will be surprised at the size of steel you need and the amount of fire proofing around the steels. I stipulated no steel in our house for that reason, glulam starts out dear but ends up cheaper and is much nicer to look at.

It sounds daft but you may be better off knocking the barn down and building properly.
 
following a high court ruling, things have got easier, any ag shed, concrete, steel, asbestos or wood, is suitable for conversion, subject to size rules, under permitted development. We have an 'expert' coming out this week, to look at a large shed.
Was this high court ruling an appeal against Class Q or Full Planning? Is the 'expert' a planning consultant or a designer claiming to be a specialist in barn conversions.
I only ask because we have been approached by a couple of farmers (one is a forum member) who have been approached by 'professionals' claiming to use this high court ruling to make it easier to get an a approval but yet missed the fundamentals of Class Q and both got refused. One farmer lost over £7k in fees to the company.
One was refused because it was in a National Park and the other because it was in a Flood Zone and had been used for equine not agriculture.
 
following a high court ruling, things have got easier, any ag shed, concrete, steel, asbestos or wood, is suitable for conversion, subject to size rules, under permitted development. We have an 'expert' coming out this week, to look at a large shed.
I'm sorry if you have done all your research but there are some unscrupulous, unqualified b******* out there ruining the planning profession and prying on people who are not familiar with the planning process. Please check whether they are RTPI registered if they are a planning consultant, ARB or RIBA of they are an architect, or CIAT if they are an Architectural Technician. Anyone else be wary. Also check their PI & PL to ensure they are suitably insured for planning consultancy not just architectural design.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Anyone looking to use Part Q should fork out £46 for a copy of Martin Goodall's bible on permitted development (make sure its the maroon one, the third edition) :

 
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som farmer

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Was this high court ruling an appeal against Class Q or Full Planning? Is the 'expert' a planning consultant or a designer claiming to be a specialist in barn conversions.
I only ask because we have been approached by a couple of farmers (one is a forum member) who have been approached by 'professionals' claiming to use this high court ruling to make it easier to get an a approval but yet missed the fundamentals of Class Q and both got refused. One farmer lost over £7k in fees to the company.
One was refused because it was in a National Park and the other because it was in a Flood Zone and had been used for equine not agriculture.
ruling against a council refusing permission
and he is a professional, with a good track record, or l certainly hope so !!!
reputable land agents that we have used, in varying name changes, since the 50's
 
Was this high court ruling an appeal against Class Q or Full Planning? Is the 'expert' a planning consultant or a designer claiming to be a specialist in barn conversions.
I only ask because we have been approached by a couple of farmers (one is a forum member) who have been approached by 'professionals' claiming to use this high court ruling to make it easier to get an a approval but yet missed the fundamentals of Class Q and both got refused. One farmer lost over £7k in fees to the company.
One was refused because it was in a National Park and the other because it was in a Flood Zone and had been used for equine not agriculture.

George these shed planning regulations don't apply in Wales do they? English only?
 
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North Notts
barn.jpgbarn3.jpgI've been thinking over the last year or so about applying for something like these, but would be a complete new build rather than a conversion. we do have a 90x45 foot shed built in 1993 that could be converted but the location isn't great, right beside the entrance to the farm and with quite a few let units on site the drive can be very busy. Dad lives in the main farm house and doesn't want to move out anytime soon but is69 in august and wants less work.

The cost would be massive and wouldn't be able to sell it if anything happened to dad and wanted out the farm house. holiday lets or office space might be an option, planning permission is the main thing that's putting me off.
 
View attachment 976341View attachment 976342I've been thinking over the last year or so about applying for something like these, but would be a complete new build rather than a conversion. we do have a 90x45 foot shed built in 1993 that could be converted but the location isn't great, right beside the entrance to the farm and with quite a few let units on site the drive can be very busy. Dad lives in the main farm house and doesn't want to move out anytime soon but is69 in august and wants less work.

The cost would be massive and wouldn't be able to sell it if anything happened to dad and wanted out the farm house. holiday lets or office space might be an option, planning permission is the main thing that's putting me off.
If you are considering it then you may be best served obtaining Class Q on the barn and then applying for a new build by offering to trade the Class Q permission. This has been done in the past and there is case law to support it.
 

Forever Fendt

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Location
Derbyshire
Can anyone point me in the direction of finding more information on converting steel framed sheds into a house ? Are there company that do it or is it simply do it yourself ? I have a 45x120 shed erected 20 years ago in good order in a stunning location, anyone have any thoughts?
We have done it with a building that was new in 2007, Well worth the effort and needs a bit of thought put into it. Don't be fooled to thinking you have a flying start with the existing building in place as sometimes a new build would be easier but the planning would be near impossible where as part q is relatively simple to gain if you fit the criteria, My advice would be ask anyone who you are thinking of using for some application numbers they have been involved with and have a read through them before you make your mind up who to use and also don't let them submit it without you first looking through it and checking it ,Those confident professionals who almost promise success in exchange for a large fee generally fall to pieces when you mention no win no fee .
 

Forever Fendt

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Location
Derbyshire
following a high court ruling, things have got easier, any ag shed, concrete, steel, asbestos or wood, is suitable for conversion, subject to size rules, under permitted development. We have an 'expert' coming out this week, to look at a large shed.
I hope they are not reliant on the Hibbitt case with the above statement
 

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

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