Stop helping Putin

[ollie989898]

About 1/3 of electric is currently from gas, it has been used for about 30 years now, up the road one was scrapped a few years ago as it was worn out.

I always thought it was a bad idea as getting coal to a power station is easy , but piping coal to houses is difficult.

EssexPete is describing the use of load following open-cycle gas turbines which can ramp up and down in output fairly easily. The Big chunk of electricity generated by closed cycle gas turbines are much more efficient but can't be ramped up and down as readily- they don't like being switched on and off much.

It is ironic that last summer I believe it was, the UK electricity wholesale price actually became negative for a time, meaning generators actually had to pay the national grid to accept their electricity. Of course this borks nuclear power hard because you can't just turn a reactor off on a whim.

It is so ironic that the race for renewables was chimed as a huge win and oh so cheap for consumers, yet the UK is now facing a big ramp up in electricity prices, all because of the rise in gas prices. At one point in the last 18 months gas actually became so cheap the fuel itself began to tally with the effective cost of nuclear fuel.

Such a situation we can all agree is utterly insane. We should be incinerating our municipal waste and using as much electricity (and heat) from it as possible.

 

[Renaultman]

The ex-German Chancellor Merkel pandered to the Green Party and shut down German nuclear generators for no good reason, thus making Germany dependent on Russian gas. If Russia switches that off, their industry and homes freeze, it’s as simple as that. They have made themselves hostages to Russian pressure and blackmail. That’s a total abdication of one of the few absolute top responsibilities of any Government and that is to ensure the security of their energy supply. The other imperatives, which I’ve listed before in relation to the UK situation, are security of defence, shelter, food and water in no particular order. The UK is not so hot on these issues either but just maybe this current and near future issues, including exploding food prices and possibly severe shortages moving on until 2024, will open their dopy eyes somewhat and concentrate their priorities?

We are a hell of a long way down the same road

 

[BrianV]

Why should he. He is the democratically elected leader of a sovereign state. Circumstances may have forced his hand at present but he is not to blame there’s only one person to blame and that’s Putin. The sooner he’s dead the better.

Zelenskyy's first & overriding priority is to keep his people safe, something he has failed miserably to do!

 

[ollie989898]

We are a hell of a long way down the same road

It all began in the later Thatcher years and Tony Blair sealed the deal by opting to generate electricity with gas. There was no reason he could not have opted to build a few nuclear power plants, he had the political majority to do it as well.

 

[tullah]

Zelenskyy's first & overriding priority is to keep his people safe, something he has failed miserably to do!

Soon keep everyone safe. Just let the thug take over your country, no fighting all safe.
isn't that what you mean

 

[BrianV]

Soon keep everyone safe. Just let the thug take over your country, no fighting all safe.
isn't that what you mean

Seems a better plan than half the population leaving the country, countless dead & maimed & the country in ruins, still each to his own!

 

[Cowabunga]

Zelenskyy's first & overriding priority is to keep his people safe, something he has failed miserably to do!

If Russia, or Germany in former years, invaded the UK, how would you propose that ‘we’ be kept safe? I don’t recall ‘us’ being particularly safe during the years 1914-18 or 1939-45 even though ‘we’ were never even invaded by a hostile occupying force.

 

[Cowabunga]

Seems a better plan than half the population leaving the country, countless dead & maimed & the country in ruins, still each to his own!

What you take no account of whatsoever is that it never stops at one country. These monsters are empire builders who have no inhibition as to slaughtering whole populations by the literal millions. History is littered with them.

 

[Lowland1]

Zelenskyy's first & overriding priority is to keep his people safe, something he has failed miserably to do!

I can imagine you on farming forum 1940. ‘ Give in Winston that nice Mr Hitler means us no harm’. If the Ukrainians believed the same Putin and his men would be putting their feet up on the Polish border by now and Zelensky would probably be dead in a ditch his crime doing what the people who voted him in wanted.

 

[BrianV]

If Russia, or Germany in former years, invaded the UK, how would you propose that ‘we’ be kept safe? I don’t recall ‘us’ being particularly safe during the years 1914-18 or 1939-45 even though ‘we’ were never even invaded by a hostile occupying force.

I wouldn't recall on both those occasions the rest of the world saying tough luck old boys you're on your own but we'll smuggle you in the odd bullet or two!

 

[BrianV]

What you take no account of whatsoever is that it never stops at one country. These monsters are empire builders who have no inhibition as to slaughtering whole populations by the literal millions. History is littered with them.

So you say, I guess we will find out when he's finished destroying Ukraine!

 

[Still Farming]

Paper today The new National Lottery boss connections with Russia allegedly?

 

[BrianV]

I can imagine you on farming forum 1940. ‘ Give in Winston that nice Mr Hitler means us no harm’. If the Ukrainians believed the same Putin and his men would be putting their feet up on the Polish border by now and Zelensky would probably be dead in a ditch his crime doing what the people who voted him in wanted.

Shame the poor devils weren't allowed to choose whether they wanted war or peace with conditions attached, still we all know politicians know what's best for a country don't we!

 

[Lowland1]

Shame the poor devils weren't allowed to choose whether they wanted war or peace with conditions attached, still we all know politicians know what's best for a country don't we!

Pretty sure they didn’t want war. I’m also pretty sure they don’t want to be Russians either. There’s one person to blame and one person only it’s Putin there’s no blame to be shared.

 

[BrianV]

Pretty sure they didn’t want war. I’m also pretty sure they don’t want to be Russians either. There’s one person to blame and one person only it’s Putin there’s no blame to be shared.

Not sure they had to be Russians, simply stay neutral & out of the EU & NATO, something a few countries don't seem to mind doing.

 

[tullah]

Shame the poor devils weren't allowed to choose whether they wanted war or peace with conditions attached, still we all know politicians know what's best for a country don't we!

Judging by the fight they're putting up, I should imagine they are prepared to make the sacrifice. As a twelve year old I could get a 3" group at 100 yards with .22

 

[BrianV]

Judging by the fight they're putting up, I should imagine they are prepared to make the sacrifice. As a twelve year old I could get a 3" group at 100 yards with .22

Couldn't we all, it goes with being a farmer.

 

[ollie989898]

Judging by the fight they're putting up, I should imagine they are prepared to make the sacrifice. As a twelve year old I could get a 3" group at 100 yards with .22

Perhaps we should insist all men between the ages of 18 and 60 are given mandatory instruction on say a G3 battle rifle? No, you can't take it home and keep it before you ask...

 

[Lowland1]

Not sure they had to be Russians, simply stay neutral & out of the EU & NATO, something a few countries don't seem to mind doing.

In retrospect that would have been a decision that would have avoided a war but the truth is Putin is mental and if they’d agreed to that then there would have been more concessions to be made and as I’ve said before Ukraine is a Sovereign state that should be allowed to make its own decisions. It’s about Ukraine returning to mother Russia whether they like it or not. I hear your point but I don’t agree with it and see no point in any further debate.

 

[BrianV]

Perhaps we should insist all men between the ages of 18 and 60 are given mandatory instruction on say a G3 battle rifle? No, you can't take it home and keep it before you ask...

Like Switzerland where all men have a rifle & do military service