Straw market analysis.

[Brisel]

I said Nearly...

WB straw is £102 ton

WB grain is what £120 ton?

( so not much difference )

Your maths is still wrong GUTH. Winter barley grain yield of 3 t/acre. Straw yield 1.5 -2 t/acre. £12/t to bale and load, then £30/t to haul it to the West Country. Not such a money spinner for the arable farmer when the swaths get rained on week after week whilst waiting for the baler to run up, drop brome/blackgrass seeds off then the lorries & drags get stuck in the fields hauling it out, requiring remedial subsoiler work. Knock 0.2 t/acre off the following osr yield for the 3 week drilling delay.

Ok, using winter barley is a bad example as time & usually the weather is on side but for spring barley & wheat it is very different.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

It's a shame more farmers don t bale straw and store instead of selling standing crops

 

[bobk]

It's a shame more farmers don t bale straw and store instead of selling standing crops

I do , but that negates selling to a merchant .

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I do , but that negates selling to a merchant .

I mean East Coast Farmers .
lot of them have shed space . buy an old baler . as they don't have so much to do as a big baling contactor their won't be so much panic and they can make a bit on it also

 

[bobk]

I mean East Coast Farmers .
lot of them have shed space . buy an old baler . as they don't have so much to do as a big baling contactor their won't be so much panic and they can make a bit on it also

Why don't you grow a pair like your mate puntabrava , take the whole job on ...... selling straw is a piece of cake .

 

[DRC]

Straw delivered on farm in the SW hasn't reached the high prices achieved last winter yet and are unlikely to do so with most farmers panic buying now and not on a as I need it basis.

Intrestingly its dealers that are talking the trade up/ paying over the odds including one who bought some baled straw on farm for x a ton ( very high price ) and is now selling it for less than they paid ton delivered in.

A Devon straw merchant has been cold calling on the estate my son works on in south Shropshire, desperate for straw.
Your view and everyone else's seem poles apart.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Why don't you grow a pair like your mate puntabrava , take the whole job on ...... selling straw is a piece of cake .

He lives in the middle of straw world .I live in the Welsh Hills 200 miles from any straw . he's doing a good job I believe . knows what he's doing

 

[bobk]

He lives in the middle of straw world .I live in the Welsh Hills 200 miles from any straw . he's doing a good job I believe . knows what he's doing

You're like that antique bloke in Conwy ............ in the wrong place .

 

[7610 super q]

Sheds have been pretty much emptied the past 2 winters, so it was blindingly obvious by early August that there'd be a shortage, what with folks chopping due to shite weather, and lower straw yields.
Still, let's keep talking the price down to the bitter end.

If we get a harsh winter, straw will be short in 2018/ 19 too.

You heard it here first....

 

[bobk]

Sheds have been pretty much emptied the past 2 winters, so it was blindingly obvious by early August that there'd be a shortage, what with folks chopping due to shite weather, and lower straw yields.
Still, let's keep talking the price down to the bitter end.

If we get a harsh winter, straw will be short in 2018/ 19 too.

You heard it hear first....

You forgot the straw baled wet .

 

[DRC]

You're like that antique bloke in Conwy ............ in the wrong place .

Location is everything Howard. Your in a good place for direct sales. What will my 4 string spring barley be worth. Was going to buy a few cattle to eat it, but might just sell it all instead and go on holiday

 

[gone up the hill]

Your maths is still wrong GUTH. Winter barley grain yield of 3 t/acre. Straw yield 1.5 -2 t/acre. £12/t to bale and load, then £30/t to haul it to the West Country. Not such a money spinner for the arable farmer when the swaths get rained on week after week whilst waiting for the baler to run up, drop brome/blackgrass seeds off then the lorries & drags get stuck in the fields hauling it out, requiring remedial subsoiler work. Knock 0.2 t/acre off the following osr yield for the 3 week drilling delay.

Ok, using winter barley is a bad example as time & usually the weather is on side but for spring barley & wheat it is very different.

My maths is 100% correct ( based on Winter wheat ) and you need to re -read my post as you haven't read it correctly.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Location is everything Howard. Your in a good place for direct sales. What will my 4 string spring barley be worth. Was going to buy a few cattle to eat it, but might just sell it all instead and go on holiday

75 at least at the Mo

 

[bobk]

Location is everything Howard. Your in a good place for direct sales. What will my 4 string spring barley be worth. Was going to buy a few cattle to eat it, but might just sell it all instead and go on holiday

That's the correct answer

 

[Derrick Hughes]

a farmer should make £90 an acre most years before baling costs and storage in a straw area . more in a livestock zone . that can't be bad surly

 

[Happy]

I mean East Coast Farmers .
lot of them have shed space . buy an old baler . as they don't have so much to do as a big baling contactor their won't be so much panic and they can make a bit on it also

Not much to do?
There is the rest of the harvest to do.
Grain to dry.
Following years crop to establish.

Last thing a lot of us need is the hassle of baling, turning it in a wet year and carting to & stacking in shed.

Far better to have an annual agreement with a local livestock farmer who pays to bale and clear it for you

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Not much to do?
There is the rest of the harvest to do.
Grain to dry.
Following years crop to establish.

Last thing a lot of us need is the hassle of baling, turning it in a wet year and carting to & stacking in shed.

Far better to have an annual agreement with a local livestock farmer who pays to bale and clear it for you

not everyone had a local livestock farmer . would not £90 acre before costs be any attraction ?

 

[Brisel]

No one getting £90/acre for straw in the swath around here. Not even winter barley.

 

[gone up the hill]

a farmer should make £90 an acre most years before baling costs and storage in a straw area . more in a livestock zone . that can't be bad surly

Unviable for livestock producers in the long term!

We should be getting £100 head all year for fat lambs but we cant..

 

[bobk]

No one getting £90/acre for straw in the swath around here. Not even winter barley.

No, you have to bale and store it for 90 quid .