Strikes

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
But still operate archaic practices such as 9 of them to change a lightbulb, 'walking allowances' where they get 15 mins to walk 1 min to the canteen, ludicrous things like double / triple pay if they work a Sunday, even if they've already had 2 days off that week. Sort that nonsense out and there would be more money for proper wages. I've got a pal who started a job with the railways 18 months ago, he said straight away it was controlled by union loons, doesn't operate in the real world, and is totally unsustainable.....but nobody is allowed to mention that. Pathetic
Would you accept this...
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SteveHants

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Livestock Farmer
One of the reasons that those bits are profitable is because they aren't state owned...
I mean, it isn't is it?

It's because people pay to go on a train or buy stuff from the shop - they are the only points at which revenue is generated. If you forced the rail companies to actually own the rolling stock and maintain infrastructure, suddenly it would look a lot less lucrative.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France

BA staff took a 10% pay cut to keep their jobs through the pandemic. BA paid them with furlough money. They want the 10 % back that was taken off them at the start of the pandemic, returning them to pay levels before covid, the 10 % that has been handed back to management but not staff. Wouldn't you be annoyed if you were them?
 

MRT

Member
Livestock Farmer
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Lets hope nobody is daft enough to take Rand seriously. Her books make "Mein Kampf" look like a work of towering intellect.
I find the change in perspective refreshing, she does ramble a bit though. I do not have a copy and am too shy to ask the mobile library to order one in for me, can I borrow yours? :ROFLMAO:
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
I mean, it isn't is it?

It's because people pay to go on a train or buy stuff from the shop - they are the only points at which revenue is generated. If you forced the rail companies to actually own the rolling stock and maintain infrastructure, suddenly it would look a lot less lucrative.
Rolling stock is already in private hands - the problem is that the government. Several train operators have wanted to directly own their own trains, but are prevented by the government & the Railways Act, so they have to be owned and financed by ROSCOs & thus incur costs associated with the leasing process. Much of the day to day operations of the operating companies are dictated by the DfT which has a big impact on profitability and the ability of TOCs to pay premiums back into the pot. You only have to look at the IET/IEP/800 series train procurement that was DfT led... a scheme that took a stupid length of time to deliver trains that aren't as good as the ones that they replaced, cost more to lease & are unsuitable for many of services they serve...

As for maintenance of the infrastructure - the UK has some of the highest costs in Europe and probably the world to a large part because of the structure imposed on our railways that prevented vertical integration along with the interference of the government.
 

Bloders

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Location
Ruabon
Rolling stock is already in private hands - the problem is that the government. Several train operators have wanted to directly own their own trains, but are prevented by the government & the Railways Act, so they have to be owned and financed by ROSCOs & thus incur costs associated with the leasing process. Much of the day to day operations of the operating companies are dictated by the DfT which has a big impact on profitability and the ability of TOCs to pay premiums back into the pot. You only have to look at the IET/IEP/800 series train procurement that was DfT led... a scheme that took a stupid length of time to deliver trains that aren't as good as the ones that they replaced, cost more to lease & are unsuitable for many of services they serve...

As for maintenance of the infrastructure - the UK has some of the highest costs in Europe and probably the world to a large part because of the structure imposed on our railways that prevented vertical integration along with the interference of the government.
we do have one of the safest railways in the world.
 

SteveHants

Member
Livestock Farmer
Rolling stock is already in private hands - the problem is that the government. Several train operators have wanted to directly own their own trains, but are prevented by the government & the Railways Act, so they have to be owned and financed by ROSCOs & thus incur costs associated with the leasing process. Much of the day to day operations of the operating companies are dictated by the DfT which has a big impact on profitability and the ability of TOCs to pay premiums back into the pot. You only have to look at the IET/IEP/800 series train procurement that was DfT led... a scheme that took a stupid length of time to deliver trains that aren't as good as the ones that they replaced, cost more to lease & are unsuitable for many of services they serve...

As for maintenance of the infrastructure - the UK has some of the highest costs in Europe and probably the world to a large part because of the structure imposed on our railways that prevented vertical integration along with the interference of the government.
Yes - the trains are leased to the operators.

As I said those and the shops are the bits that collect revenue.

We pay for the infrastructure.

Because, of course - no company would want to pay for or maintain the infrastructure because that isn't the bit that collects revenue, and if the government can make us idiots pay for it whilst fat cats skim millions off us each year, then they will - because that is how privatisation works.

The rail operators were ready to hand the keys back over COVID, so the government bailed them out to the tune of 16bn, of which they posted 500 million profit (which we effectively gave them), and the two highest paid rail bosses took home £1 million between them (per annum) over the same period, also paid for by us.

Its an absolute scam and a rip off, all based around the utter falsehood that the private sector can run things efficiently - pursuit of profit does not = efficiency and our deregulated infrastructure (water, electric, rail etc) funnels millions abroad to subsidise their nationalised systems and means that we pay through the roof.
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
Is it more or less of a joke than the current system?
I'd say less. Trains still don't arrive on time, services have been cut and they are now way more expensive.
Yes, British Rail was bad, but its now more badly run and costs us more.

Welcome to the future :ROFLMAO:
London aside we don't don't need a train network
 

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