Strip till versus no till

[Daniel]

@Daniel too

I wouldn't want to run a Claydon directly into deep ruts left by a beet gang as seed depth will be very uneven. The coulters are fixed, not floating - if you're looking at a Claydon, forget about even seed depth unless you're drilling into a billiard table flat field.

I think I've only drilled direct after beet once or twice, it normally needs a lightish pass with something to level the harvester wheelings a bit.

 

[Heathland]

@Brisel
I'm looking at a T4,I'm hoping my 6190R is man enough,should be on the heathland,haven't got too much which is really strong on the lowland just parts in fields,but I have some steep hillsides tho.
How deep do you run the front tine,I was hoping having a front disc might make it easier to pull,wishful thinking probably.
I don't know anyone in my kneck of the woods running a Claydon, So I do want a demo before I commit,unfortunately I've got all my heathland drilled now apart from 42 ac which is still in with beet,even swapped my spring barley ha around and drill it with wheat has the lowland is impossible now.
I think a trip down to Claydons is probably a must,
I take uneven sowing depth can be a issue with a Claydon then.

 

[Badshot]

@Brisel
I'm looking at a T4,I'm hoping my 6190R is man enough,should be on the heathland,haven't got too much which is really strong on the lowland just parts in fields,but I have some steep hillsides tho.
How deep do you run the front tine,I was hoping having a front disc might make it easier to pull,wishful thinking probably.
I don't know anyone in my kneck of the woods running a Claydon, So I do want a demo before I commit,unfortunately I've got all my heathland drilled now apart from 42 ac which is still in with beet,even swapped my spring barley ha around and drill it with wheat has the lowland is impossible now.
I think a trip down to Claydons is probably a must,
I take uneven sowing depth can be a issue with a Claydon then.

Don't be surprised if it isn't man enough.
I'd reckon on 240 plus for 4m trailed.
Mate has a 220 hp fastrac on 3m and kills that sticking beans in deep.

 

[Brisel]

@Brisel
I'm looking at a T4,I'm hoping my 6190R is man enough,should be on the heathland,haven't got too much which is really strong on the lowland just parts in fields,but I have some steep hillsides tho.
How deep do you run the front tine,I was hoping having a front disc might make it easier to pull,wishful thinking probably.
I don't know anyone in my kneck of the woods running a Claydon, So I do want a demo before I commit,unfortunately I've got all my heathland drilled now apart from 42 ac which is still in with beet,even swapped my spring barley ha around and drill it with wheat has the lowland is impossible now.
I think a trip down to Claydons is probably a must,
I take uneven sowing depth can be a issue with a Claydon then.

@Flintstone started with 210hp on a 4m Hybrid. He's up to 4.8m now which is a simple bolt on kit though it wouldn't fit your 36m tramlines - with GPS you needn't worry about those. I don't know how easy it is to upgrade 4m to 4.8m on a trailed machine. @charlie@claydon will know, and might be able to point you in the right direction of another local user. A 6190R on 4m will get you started nicely though I think you'll struggle to drill beans 4" deep on heavy land with that hp. I run the front tine 6" deep for osr or to fix a problem. 4" is enough for cereals but some time with a spade will tell you what you need to do. Hp requirement will reduce after a couple of seasons as your soil develops a more natural structure that works more easily.

You could always hire a bigger tractor for a couple of seasons to get you going. My 370hp worked hard with 6m initially but now purrs along in lighter soils.

 

[redsloe]

@Brisel can you tell me why trailed drills can come with a disc in front of the leading leg whereas mounted ones don't or can they be added?
Had a risky look at the catalogue today?

 

[Brisel]

@Brisel can you tell me why trailed drills can come with a disc in front of the leading leg whereas mounted ones don't or can they be added?
Had a risky look at the catalogue today?

Length. You'd never lift a mounted one if it had an extra toolbar in front. I hear mixed reports about the leading disc - it should slice through the trash to help the tine legs but apparently they become like tyres with stubble & straw wrapped across the disc edges. The front toolbar acts as a depth control measure so the rest of the toolbar can float independently of the chassis that carries the hopper.

The mounted drills are very heavy. Here’s what I need on the front of a long tractor just to lift it and have some kind of steering. That’s 1500 kg of cast iron.

 

[Matt77]

In wet conditions, (probably shouldn’t be out there) the discs on my drill can be a problem, wrap up and stall, then bulldozering, in normal conditions they work just fine.

 

[Brisel]

Would you fit a tyre packer instead?

 

[Brisel]

Sorry @nick... I seem to have monopolised your thread

 

[Matt77]

Would you fit a tyre packer instead?

I took the discs off, no problems after that, other than it still being too flipping wet in the dry they do the job they need too, but now after taking them off I’ll probably question if I need them at all, I’ll let you know next year when the sun comes back!

 

[nick...]

Sorry @nick... I seem to have monopolised your thread

No worries.im learning a bit.ive contacted several companies about looking at drills and hopefully going to see a mzuri working in south norfolk on Friday or Tuesday.heard from simtech today and virkar and sumo.nice to be taken seriously for once
Nick...

 

[d williams]

Length. You'd never lift a mounted one if it had an extra toolbar in front. I hear mixed reports about the leading disc - it should slice through the trash to help the tine legs but apparently they become like tyres with stubble & straw wrapped across the disc edges. The front toolbar acts as a depth control measure so the rest of the toolbar can float independently of the chassis that carries the hopper.

The mounted drills are very heavy. Here’s what I need on the front of a long tractor just to lift it and have some kind of steering. That’s 1500 kg of cast iron.
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do claydon do a trailed 6mt if so can I ask why you didn’t take that option?

 

[E_B]

I took the discs off, no problems after that, other than it still being too flipping wet in the dry they do the job they need too, but now after taking them off I’ll probably question if I need them at all, I’ll let you know next year when the sun comes back!

I've been meaning to take ours off for the last two years. Need to get some big washers in to take up the space of the disc bracket.

 

[Brisel]

do claydon do a trailed 6mt if so can I ask why you didn’t take that option?

I was put off trailed when I saw the state of @fred.950 ‘s old 8m one. They are built better now. More worried about crabbing on my steep hills but the mounted one is nearly as bad. With hindsight I should have gone for a T6 trailed but it was £40k dearer than the mounted version.

 

[Will 1594]

Heathland ,have a word,with andrew manfield ,he has rigged up a mounted tine bar , with sprung loaded legs with ,seed boots on it ,on an agrisem frame , and front hopper looks a nice light set up

 

[Matt77]

I've been meaning to take ours off for the last two years. Need to get some big washers in to take up the space of the disc bracket.

I just took the disc off the hub for the trial.

 

[principal skinner]

No worries.im learning a bit.ive contacted several companies about looking at drills and hopefully going to see a mzuri working in south norfolk on Friday or Tuesday.heard from simtech today and virkar and sumo.nice to be taken seriously for once
Nick...

I bet you wouldn't get much better value for money than a used 3m Claydon Hybrid, so simple and easy to use, no moving parts unlike the Mzuri, can swap leading tines for cutting disc, swap seed boots about, easy to pull. I do 20ha a day with a 3m without too much bother.

 

[nick...]

Hoping to look at them all.been contacted by several manufacturers but not from all of them.
Nick...

 

[simonk88]

We run a 4m and 9m DTS, will drill in nearly any conditions. If the covering wheels block up, take them off, if the front tine blocks up, take it off or stay in the shed. We have done both these things with good success to extend the drilling window/contracting drilling in less than ideal conditions. Trash isn't a problem, if it is really tall (0.5m +) drill headlands first before turning on it. Chopped straw sometimes needs drilling at an angle. Never leave unbaled straw in a field as the drill will collect it up very effectively. Maximum depth we have ever run the leading tine is 9 inches. That was in the early days. Now rarely below 5, even for OSR. Soils have improved immeasurably, mostly with the drill enabling much less or no cultivation. We have also used the drills to loosen OSR stubbles in August and then drilled them in October without the leading tine (Much faster and less draft/weight required + more area covered) Have had excellent results with APM legs too. Now starting with an 8m Horsch Avatar plus the DTS's. Still covering around 8600ac with contracting and cover crop drilling.

 

[nick...]

Never seem to hear much about the sumo dts drill.one of the big 3 cultivation machinery has one in stock priced to clear.makes me wonder a bit.
Nick...