Strip till winter barley - hybrid v conventional

[Salopian_Will]

First full year with a Claydon. Growing a small area of winter barley - conventional is our preference, however, does anybody have any experience with conventional v hybrid in a wide row scenario? Would the spring vigour of the hybrid help close up the rows for weed suppression? Or will the higher initial plant numbers in the autumn with the conventional be preferred?

Any experiences welcomed.

 

[SilliamWhale]

What width rows?

All my barley is grown at 7.5" spacings

What weeds do you want to suppress?

@Two Tone says hybrid barley suppresses blackgrass but I note he may be going back to conventional barleys...

 

[Salopian_Will]

What width rows?

All my barley is grown at 7.5" spacings

What weeds do you want to suppress?

@Two Tone says hybrid barley suppresses blackgrass but I note he may be going back to conventional barleys...

30cm - Bromes will be the biggest issue for us.

 

[SilliamWhale]

30cm - Bromes will be the biggest issue for us.

Well you won't beat brome.

.6 liberator plus a DFF top up and late drilling is all you can do

 

[Salopian_Will]

Well you won't beat brome.

.6 liberator plus a DFF top up and late drilling is all you can do

Thanks - you have confirmed what I was thinking. It will be getting the kitchen sink thrown at it pre-em in any event. Barley is a weed in its own right imo... I did see some data from Syngenta comparing brome levels in conventional v hybrid crops suggesting a reduction in the hybrid, which is what prompted the question.

My experience this year was that the thick crops still had the brome, but that there were fewer tillers compared to where it was thin (all conventional).

 

[E_B]

We have sown Bazooka on 33 cm centre bands, albeit on light ground without a grass weed issue. Did well but seems more likely to fall down on the wide rows. Moved to Funky, a conventional 6 row, always flattered to deceive. Hawking this year massively out performed the Funky next to it and I think we'll be going over to 2 row for a while now, although I wonder if I sowed the Funky too thinly.

 

[alomy75]

30cm - Bromes will be the biggest issue for us.

When you say 30cm I assume that’s centres? Unless you have a knife coulter of some sort won’t your actual ‘empty soil’ measurement significantly less? I’ve never done the maths but I wonder how much less (if any) ground cover you would get from a Claydon with a wide coulter on vs a ‘conventionally’ spaced drill. Especially with barley…

 

[SilliamWhale]

Thanks - you have confirmed what I was thinking. It will be getting the kitchen sink thrown at it pre-em in any event. Barley is a weed in its own right imo... I did see some data from Syngenta comparing brome levels in conventional v hybrid crops suggesting a reduction in the hybrid, which is what prompted the question.

My experience this year was that the thick crops still had the brome, but that there were fewer tillers compared to where it was thin (all conventional).

What are you planning pre em?

 

[Salopian_Will]

What are you planning pre em?

pendimethalin, flufanacet and DFF

 

[Hampton]

Quick question
I just googled winter barley pre emergence and it came up with a result from Agrii.
It has internal document on it so can I post it on here?
@Clive

 

[juke]

6 row hybrids do very well on the standard claydon set up in our experience, you wont beat brome in barley, do what you can for other grassweeds pre em. if your field is riddled with brome just forget barley wont matter if its 2 or 6 row