Stubble Turnips/ sheep wintering

[Welsh sheep man]

Evening all Im a young farmer from welsh border/cheshire , and been In the store lamb job around 5 years now and looking for more land to expand , provide all my own eletric fencing and been doing various agreement in the past renting fallow fields or paying for good cover crops , wondering If are their any of you boys out their have any soare fallow fields or looking to improve your soils and make a little Income over winter , thanks

 

[Spencer]

What are stubble turnips worth ppw? You fencing?

 

[Welsh sheep man]

I provide all eletric fencing yes , Usually pay per ac anything between 50 & 65 per ac depending on crop

 

[Sprayer 1]

Trouble with this is the risk to the landowner ,cost of seed, planting and some nitrogen to get them going. Not much profit at £50, then if flea beetle hits the crop and you end up with half a crop you can end up giving it away just to clear. If you want to give me £30 for stubble and you established the crop , keep the field till spring,it would be more attractive. I would drill the seed for free.

 

[Cowmansam]

Would of thought most arable men would be capable of growing better crops than most sheep men as that’s there specialty obviously there’s exceptions

 

[Sprayer 1]

Flea beetle doesn't discriminate from a good farmer or a not so good.

 

[bobk]

Evening all Im a young farmer from welsh border/cheshire , and been In the store lamb job around 5 years now and looking for more land to expand , provide all my own eletric fencing and been doing various agreement in the past renting fallow fields or paying for good cover crops , wondering If are their any of you boys out their have any soare fallow fields or looking to improve your soils and make a little Income over winter , thanks

How many sheep and acres required , sounds like you want cheap keep , fair all round is the best way

 

[Chae1]

Sheep are perhaps different but I can hand on my heart say I see no difference in land drilled with stubble turnips/forage rape and strip grazed with cows. This is on light, hungry land, so I would think any benefits would be clear.

If I was mr arable man I wouldn't be desperate for sheep or any other animals. Grow a cover crop and plough it in.

 

[Mc115reed]

Sheep are perhaps different but I can hand on my heart say I see no difference in land drilled with stubble turnips/forage rape and strip grazed with cows. This is on light, hungry land, so I would think any benefits would be clear.

If I was mr arable man I wouldn't be desperate for sheep or any other animals. Grow a cover crop and plough it in.

Youv obviously not experienced “the golden hoof” then have you

 

[Jerry]

Sheep are perhaps different but I can hand on my heart say I see no difference in land drilled with stubble turnips/forage rape and strip grazed with cows. This is on light, hungry land, so I would think any benefits would be clear.

If I was mr arable man I wouldn't be desperate for sheep or any other animals. Grow a cover crop and plough it in.

I cut back N on spring barley after sheep by 40kg of N per ha or it’s flat! And I’m On light hungry soil.

There also less obvious soil benefits.

 

[Chae1]

I cut back N on spring barley after sheep by 40kg of N per ha or it’s flat! And I’m On light hungry soil.

There also less obvious soil benefits.

I cut back too. Maybe that was problem.

 

[Chae1]

Youv obviously not experienced “the golden hoof” then have you

Think that's What the sheep men tell the arable guys!

I've yet to experience it.

 

[Jerry]

I cut back too. Maybe that was problem.

What’s your normal N rate and what did you cut back to?

 

[Chae1]

What’s your normal N rate and what did you cut back to?

I'm old school. So work in units. It's for low N malting barley so normally 100 units. Cut back to 80 on fields that had forage crops.

I think if 100 cows were in a shed for 3 months there would be a fair pile of muck so thats all been ploughed in.

Also the forage crops had 60 units of N so I don't know if it was fully utilised. In 2012 when I had failed forage crops the N in 2013 malting barley was high in fields I attempted to establish forage crops.

 

[Northern territory]

Think that's What the sheep men tell the arable guys!

I've yet to experience it.

Heavy stocking rate is what you need. No good chucking 100 sheep on 50 acres. Strip grazing achieves better results IMO.