Subsidies inflate our production costs........THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD!!

[Bossfarmer]

Im completely sick of people on here claiming "subsidies just inflate our production costs and it goes to the supply chain", some people seem to naively believe that removing subs will just cut production costs down to a cheap level NO NO NO, these companies supplying us all have production costs and staff minimum wage requirements to fill many go bust already!!!

You also really need to question the logic of a farmer that says lets get rid of subsidies theyre pushing prices up, isn't that only because farmers are making a bit more money?? I don't hear anyone claiming "lets drop grain/cattle/milk prices theyre driving fert and machinery costs up"

many costs such as labour will not change for legal reasons not just on farms but across the chain

 

[Clive]

you're confusing farming (a trade) and land ownership (an investment) ..........again !

I'm not going to explain the difference to you again, do a search for just about any of my previous replies to you about any of you previous posts

 

[Tim W]

Sounds like someone still hasn't prepared for the removal of land owners dole ...better get started

 

[S J H]

Sounds like someone still hasn't prepared for the removal of land owners dole ...better get started

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND TIM, WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!!!!!

 

[Grassman]

I promised myself not to look at one of THESE THREADS!!!!!!!
What the heck is up with me? I looked AGAIN!!!

 

[Henarar]

Sounds like someone still hasn't prepared for the removal of land owners dole ...better get started

Its not a land owners dole is a payment to keep the land in good agricultural and environmental condition, why is that so difficult to understand ?

 

[S J H]

Its not a land owners dole is a payment to keep the land in good agricultural and environmental condition, why is that so difficult to understand ?

It doesn't look in very good condition to me

 

[Henarar]

Im completely sick of people on here claiming "subsidies just inflate our production costs and it goes to the supply chain", some people seem to naively believe that removing subs will just cut production costs down to a cheap level NO NO NO, these companies supplying us all have production costs and staff minimum wage requirements to fill many go bust already!!!

You also really need to question the logic of a farmer that says lets get rid of subsidies theyre pushing prices up, isn't that only because farmers are making a bit more money?? I don't hear anyone claiming "lets drop grain/cattle/milk prices theyre driving fert and machinery costs up"

many costs such as labour will not change for legal reasons not just on farms but across the chain

Good to see you starting threads again Boss
keeps the bloody idiots that don't understand on there toes
some folk haven't got a clue

 

[Bossfarmer]

your confusing farming (a trade) and land ownership (an investment) ..........again !

I'm not going to explain the difference to you again, do a search for just about any of my previous replies to you about any of you previous posts

yes but tenants get subsidy also, if wheat goes to £200/t and your fert price goes up next year as a result(which it would) will you be calling for wheat prices to be capped next year? it seems the logic of many farmers (owner occupiers included) that subs make us more profitable so costs go up, would they prefer no subs low prices and low costs??????

 

[Henarar]

It doesn't look in very good condition to me

you speak for your bit I will speak for mine

 

[S J H]

you speak for your bit I will speak for mine

I think mine looks ok, but it's not because of subsidy. I don't see much subsidy money being spent on improving land, and most of the environmental payments seem to do nothing to increase wildlife or look after the environment.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Sounds like someone still hasn't prepared for the removal of land owners dole ...better get started

some tenants who believe they'll simply pass the sub cut onto their landlord are the ones who should be worried, for every landowner theres a que of overly optimistic tenants, many landowners wont bother renting their farm out if rent is too low, less farms will be available so yous better get buying!

 

[early riser]

Yawn, nobody cares.........

 

[Bossfarmer]

Yawn, nobody cares.........

I think youll find many thousands of farmers do and their workers too

 

[Henarar]

I think mine looks ok, but it's not because of subsidy. I don't see much subsidy money being spent on improving land, and most of the environmental payments seem to do nothing to increase wildlife or look after the environment.

who said anything about improving, if its good enough take the payment put it in the bank and keep quiet
why do some folks have to make such a fuss

 

[S J H]

some tenants who believe they'll simply pass the sub cut onto their landlord are the ones who should be worried, for every landowner theres a que of overly optimistic tenants, many landowners wont bother renting their farm out if rent is too low, less farms will be available so yous better get buying!

What will happen to that land then?

You contradict yourself, if things are going to be that bad, then there won't be the 'optimistic tenants' that you speak of.

 

[S J H]

who said anything about improving, if its good enough take the payment put it in the bank and keep quiet
why do some folks have to make such a fuss

Because I'm fed up with agriculture being restricted by subs.

 

[Henarar]

Because I'm fed up with agriculture being restricted by subs.

You carry on being fed up and restricted then, I am not

 

[Bossfarmer]

What will happen to that land then?

You contradict yourself, if things are going to be that bad, then there won't be the 'optimistic tenants' that you speak of.

theres a lot of people out there taking on land at any price to feed their ego, many have deep pockets and development cash, many are filling AD plants

 

[Henarar]

many are filling AD plants

Subsidy driven things if ever there was one
but that's ok cos AD is green energy FFS