Subsidies inflate our production costs........THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD!!

[lazy farmer]

Housing is a good example,
In London for example ( it's all over the country realy ) the houses have shot upto nutty levels meaning it's cleaned out the origional inhabitants, the first lucky ones took the wedge and fudge the rest following after. The east end people have gone, familys been there for generations can no longer aford a house. London is becoming a place only certain people can aford to live and it's a government policy. The house price rises were done on purpose and it still is ( this is a false way of making our country look like it's better off )
So housing costs have rose for the poor, so the richer can pay the mortgage for their rented houses ( the taxpayer then pays a benifit to pay the rent for them ) the tax payer is subsidising the rich to get richer, as in farming.
The subsidy system is exactly the same, land prices have gone stupid, sub is given to poor farmers to rent ground ( taxpayer money ) this goes to the richer in society who buy more land ( making land prices out of reach for others ) thus the circle continues until the poor can no longer survive!

Regarding smaller farms, it's a horrible thing to think that one section of the farming community is just destroyed because some don't like it ( and never have ) France manages with smaller farms and I facts encourages them,why not here!
Smaller farms bring more people into comunites, more schools, more young farmers of the future, we might even see more farmers than tourists for a change!

france spends more than 50% of its GDP on the state. It can't go on in the same vein. that's why they have elected a globalisation fan

 

[digger64]

odd as they seem to get better prices up there, livestock anyway

Iess dairy - better stock and more market focused , large demand for feed and malt grain costs alot to haul to there - reflected in prices

 

[Henarar]

Iess dairy - better stock and more market focused , large demand for feed and malt grain costs alot to haul to there - reflected in prices

so if I paid more for feed I would get more for my animals ?

 

[digger64]

so if I paid more for feed I would get more for my animals ?

Possibly , buy your corn in scotland and it will work out dearer for sure delivered to you

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Got some baleage for sale here...
TFF special, you pick up and I'll pay the GST

 

[Pasty]

Got some baleage for sale here...
TFF special, you pick up and I'll pay the GST

If you can email me 100 bales I'll pay in Totnes pounds.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

If I can feed a bale through the scanner, just print it 100 times, saves my internet for stalking British farmers...

 

[Henarar]

Possibly , buy your corn in scotland and it will work out dearer for sure delivered to you

ok

 

[digger64]

ok

And of course tb free

 

[Pasty]

so if I paid more for feed I would get more for my animals ?

Can't find the post now and realised I didn't reply. Not been so well myself though nothing major aside from severe pain. You would be welcome to drop by for a cuppa any time. Not much to see that's impressive. It's all a bit Kung Fu. Hope you get sorted soon.

 

[Henarar]

Can't find the post now and realised I didn't reply. Not been so well myself though nothing major aside from severe pain. You would be welcome to drop by for a cuppa any time. Not much to see that's impressive. It's all a bit Kung Fu. Hope you get sorted soon.

hope you get better soon, if we are down that way with a bit of spare time [ I think I know where you are but can pm] we can call in goodness knows when that will happen though

 

[DrWazzock]

Is there inclination to try and get some decent lobbying groups to all pull together or is that like farting against thunder?
I know farmers are the hardest group to get to agree on anything (look at what goes down on here) but you are really going to need a decent voice to get what you want in the next few years.
I feel it's your big chance to make 21st century British ag the environment it needs to be, a turning point, you won't be leaving the EU twice.. as noted, farmers are quick to cut each others throats and the powers-that-be know that well. They'll exploit that divisiveness if they sniff it.
NFU much use for pressuring deals?

As I've said on other threads, we need a unitary body to represent, brand and quality control British agricultural products. Roll AHDB, Red Tractor, NFU, etc all into one powerful representative body. They are very closely linked as it is.

It won't happen of course because people like their own little empires and so they will bicker amongst themselves while the rest of the world outflanks us.

As it stands NFU is amateur and doesn't have the marketing and negotiating clout.

AHDB sits in an ivory tower drawing levies to tell us the obvious.

RT tries to develop a brand but it needs more oomph. It also duplicates the function of a lot of statutory regulators like Trading Standards while drawing yet another levy off farmers.

The whole thing is a mess.

 

[Pasty]

hope you get better soon, if we are down that way with a bit of spare time [ I think I know where you are but can pm] we can call in goodness knows when that will happen though

DPD can't find me so good luck! You might want to watch The Wicker Man as well before you head down this way. It's not always like that. We have Tuesdays off.

 

[Pasty]

As I've said on other threads, we need a unitary body to represent, brand and quality control British agricultural products. Roll AHDB, Red Tractor, NFU, etc all into one powerful representative body. They are very closely linked as it is.

It won't happen of course because people like their own little empires and so they will bicker amongst themselves while the rest of the world outflanks us.

As it stands NFU is amateur and doesn't have the marketing and negotiating clout.

AHDB sits in an ivory tower drawing levies to tell us the obvious.

RT tries to develop a brand but it needs more oomph. It also duplicates the function of a lot of statutory regulators like Trading Standards while drawing yet another levy off farmers.

The whole thing is a mess.

2 bits about that.

1. I don't want what you suggest. Who is going to pay the cretins who run it (badly)?
2. I like my little empire. It's mine and so far I'm only up against the ghosts of my fore-fathers in terms of what I can and cannot do.

I can't see how putting a layer of management in at any level is a good idea. They will all be useless wankkers, waste all the money and then...I dunno. Die or whatever they do. That's just the way it is.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I wasn't fighting with GUTH. He made some assumptions which were not correct and I politely stated the facts. We all make assumptions so I have no issue with that.

Sorry.. I get a little bit weary of people using less mainstream ideas who then get slammed for sharing them.. I fit that category

 

[Kiwi Pete]

As I've said on other threads, we need a unitary body to represent, brand and quality control British agricultural products. Roll AHDB, Red Tractor, NFU, etc all into one powerful representative body. They are very closely linked as it is.

It won't happen of course because people like their own little empires and so they will bicker amongst themselves while the rest of the world outflanks us.

As it stands NFU is amateur and doesn't have the marketing and negotiating clout.

AHDB sits in an ivory tower drawing levies to tell us the obvious.

RT tries to develop a brand but it needs more oomph. It also duplicates the function of a lot of statutory regulators like Trading Standards while drawing yet another levy off farmers.

The whole thing is a mess.

Would be a bugger of an idea to implement but I can see the merits of having an organisation representing each sector, more importantly a bit more clout for your lobbying body- as with most lobby groups they seem to make more of a squeak after the fact (usually after they've lost).
I just have an uneasy feeling about how a trade deal with the EU (for example) would go down if it's left up to a lot of fragmented groups all trying to get a couple of politicians to do the work, maybe a discussion worthy of its own thread.
Either way it's not going to have much tangible effect on the running of my own farming enterprise- the weaker UK ag becomes, the better for us "cheap competitors", but I do feel attached to it all, in a weird way, having decended from the Scots.

 

[Pasty]

Sorry.. I get a little bit weary of people using less mainstream ideas who then get slammed for sharing them.. I fit that category

Yeah, well you need to shape up or ship out buddy.

@guth has helped me personally in the past and I hold nothing against him. He's a good bloke.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Yeah, well you need to shape up or ship out buddy.

@guth has helped me personally in the past and I hold nothing against him. He's a good bloke.

You're all not a bad bunch really...
I'm in closer contact with most of you than my own neighbours! (They mostly think I'm crackers, calling lambs through the gateways, no sprays, selling field mushrooms to their wives...)

 

[Pasty]

f**k me. If I worried about what anyone (apart from the parents gnnn) thought, I would have ended myself by now. Watch my RBS tip. It's going baby. It's going. Tight stops all around. LOLZ.

 

[Pasty]

@Bossfarmer