Sub clover .....anyone got it growing in uk ? Can commercial seed even be purchased in this country ?
Also would it be a useful companion to Lucerne.. ? ?..........
Also would it be a useful companion to Lucerne.. ? ?..........
Subterranean Clover.
- Thread starter Bury the Trash
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- Location
- Welshpool Powys
I can certainly find out but I don’t know of any being grown here or included in seed mixes.
JD-Kid
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- Location
- Akaroa.. New Zealand
not normal to sow with. lucerne a bit grown with cocksfoot needs good management to get to reseed
exmoor dave
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- Location
- exmoor, uk
Is it native to NZ? Or has sub clover just been spread all over the place over the years?
@Global ovine told us a good story of certain sheep pawing up the sub clover "bean" ( not sure what the correct term is) on dry country
JD-Kid
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- Location
- Akaroa.. New Zealand
not sure were from alot in aussie suits dry areas with a good opening rain to get it going
realy a annual so has to reseed each year or have a seed bank in case of poor seeding
more native to your neck of the woods to be fair
Trifolium subterraneum - Wikipedia
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exmoor dave
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- exmoor, uk
not sure were from alot in aussie suits dry areas with a good opening rain to get it going
realy a annual so has to reseed each year or have a seed bank in case of poor seeding
more native to your neck of the woods to be fair
Trifolium subterraneum - Wikipedia
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That's a really interesting wiki page!
- Location
- Ceredigion
What do you want to do with it . You got light land I take it
Yeah , got some lighter / thinner ground, just to keep something in the bottom of lucerne perhaps not but anyway... as a short term arable cover maybe, I dunno, it's an Australia thing ....
In the Wiki piece it says one type will do for on wet ground...as well ..
Any type of easy to grow n fixer is worth having around
Weve actually had 2 dry spring summer seasons in a row .. very dry again here atm ......tbh.
Shall most likely be putting in some lucerne at some point. It's good for sheep.
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Do you mean Cockfoot with the sub c. ? Would have to keep the grass seed at a low rate I suppose for gaps for the clover to establish...
Wonder what ph it likes.best ....
- Location
- Ceredigion
Alsike clover don't mind competion from other grasses but it prefers wetter ground . Does ok in acid soils as wellYeah , got some lighter / thinner ground, just to keep something in the bottom of lucerne perhaps not but anyway... as a short term arable cover maybe, I dunno, it's an Australia thing ....
In the Wiki piece it says one type will do for on wet ground...as well ..
Any type of easy to grow n fixer is worth having around
Weve actually had 2 dry spring summer seasons in a row .. very dry again here atm ......tbh.
Shall most likely be putting in some lucerne at some point. It's good for sheep.
Tried it , its poor a doer, i found weak growth bit of diversity here and there thats all I would say of it, WC heaps better in all situations ime.
JD-Kid
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- Location
- Akaroa.. New Zealand
Do you mean Cockfoot with the sub c. ? Would have to keep the grass seed at a low rate I suppose for gaps for the clover to establish...
Wonder what ph it likes.best ....
- Location
- Ceredigion
Dont you think a lots in the feeding of it and having the right conditions . Lime Phosphate and Potash . Hen Muck does it the world of good as well
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Look at red clover if you are thinking of Lucerne (instead of it)
only problem is sheep grazing close to tupping time but it depends on your intended use for it.
I’ve used Alsike clover and find it not a patch on ordinary white clover.
only problem is sheep grazing close to tupping time but it depends on your intended use for it.
I’ve used Alsike clover and find it not a patch on ordinary white clover.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Likewise, I tried alsike clover on marginal ground years ago and found the same. I haven’t bothered with it since.
A few salesman still push it every now and again, but I don’t know of anyone growing it regularly.
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Stick with white clover another option especially for sheep grazing is trefoil either common or birds foot.
Works well on drier ground too.
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Also with Alsike clover I found it a lot harder to establish than ordinary white clovers.
(Seemed weaker and more delicate)
(Seemed weaker and more delicate)
Already got got RC on wetter ground. I like lucerne and want to get a some in again ,got some drier ground to come out of arable for a break.
That Lincoln Uni. research is darn good , looked at some before on direct drilling
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