Sucklers anyone miss them ?

[Woolless]

I'm calving similar heifers to the AA but slightly older at 2 1/2 years.not touched one.cant actually remember last time I had to to be honest.some AA bulls are not as easy calving as you'd expect.

2 1/2 years is probably ideal but if you calve in one block then no good.

 

[Optimus]

2 1/2 years is probably ideal but if you calve in one block then no good.

Yeah,that's the good thing with spring an autumn calving.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Everything is down to a combination of environment and genetics. Say you had 20 heifers, all managed the same, and four had hard calvings, the rest were fine?

If you had 4 hard calvings out of 20 you'd have to question whether those heifers should be kept. However if you'd pelvic scored them which is a management decision it might have been avoided

 

[Uggman]

There's precedent that stabbing to death a dog in defence of another animal is perfectly legal.

Mother-of-three watches in horror as her American Bulldog is stabbed 23 times by irate pet owner after it had a fight with another dog

Mother of three Daisy Jenkins, of Hampstead, north London, (pictured) cradled her dying American Bulldog following the daylight attack.

www.google.com

As a man who knows how to use a knife where do you stab to be most effective or just keep stabbing? also was always told at work that if get under the dog and pull his front legs apart that will kill him too or just builders

 

[unlacedgecko]

As a man who knows how to use a knife where do you stab to be most effective or just keep stabbing? also was always told at work that if get under the dog and pull his front legs apart that will kill him too or just builders

For the side be at 90 degrees to get the heart/lungs. 3" blade is long enough. But the bigger the knife the more damage the greater the margin of error.

For the front chest, you're aiming for the hollow at the base of the neck between spine and sternum. Point knife towards tail to cut the large blood vessels on the top of the heart.

For the throat, don't try to slice the skin from the outside. Stab in at the base of the jaw, getting as close to the spine as possible with the blade facing forwards. Then cut outwards to sever major blood vessels and trachea. Once you've done that you can use the nose as a lever, pull the head back and snap the spine, exposing the spinal cord. Cut that.

I've not tried it, but I think the pulling the front legs apart is rubbish.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Me to I love my cows and know each one of them by name and appearance. I don't keep lot's of cattle as it really is a hobby for me. Yes a very expensive and very time consuming hobby but I'd be lost without my girls, they've seen me through some sh!t times and always been glad I've had them to sit and view on a warm July evening and just watch the time go by. I'm lucky in that respect.

I have Shorthorns here and bull with a Blue or Sim. Works fantastically well

Was it you who had some steers in leek last weekend and it was our name in the catalogue??? 3 people rang me asking what I was doing with shorthorn x bb steers!! I said I didn’t know I had any? Apparently we were in the catalogue?!

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

Was it you who had some steers in leek last weekend and it was our name in the catalogue??? 3 people rang me asking what I was doing with shorthorn x bb steers!! I said I didn’t know I had any? Apparently we were in the catalogue?!

Yes it was me I rang Graham and said you might have got that one wrong

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Yes it was me I rang Graham and said you might have got that one wrong

Even the old fella asked what were these bullocks I’d got entered, he hadn’t seen any bullocks anywhere on farm!

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Its alright, twice he’s missed me off the catalogue altogether!!

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

I’m

Its alright, twice he’s missed me off the catalogue altogether!!

Oh well that’s interesting, he’s also done that to me but always says hello when he sees me. Good job he’s a top bloke

 

[Rattie]

What breed?

Stabiliser?

 

[Sharpy]

Everything is down to a combination of environment and genetics. Say you had 20 heifers, all managed the same, and four had hard calvings, the rest were fine?

Your management was only 80 percent correct?

 

[JP1]

Too many experts telling everyone how it should be done, some of our cows that look like bulls spit their calves out and plain looking things need jacking out….plus no two years are the same….some years the same cow will calve itself one year and the next year it needs a hard pull…..if you get the right limmy bull it takes some beating, slip out like rats and grow like a weed.

Well said. Had one unexpected / unexplained cow this year and the only thing vet came up with was unusually we had such a wet Summer last year the grass and the haylage was low on Mg. Says he's seen higher incidences of calving difficulty in the area too

 

[jed]

Things going from bad to worse here went to check in calf cows at lunch time and the new stock bull that I bought in March had decided to drop down dead .
The good lord is definitely trying to tell me something
And it’s not more sheep!

 

[Jonp]

Things going from bad to worse here went to check in calf cows at lunch time and the new stock bull that I bought in March had decided to drop down dead .
The good lord is definitely trying to tell me something
And it’s not more sheep!

It puts my bleating about a stillborn calf into a bit of perspective.
Sorry for your loss.

 

[Nenuphar]

Things going from bad to worse here went to check in calf cows at lunch time and the new stock bull that I bought in March had decided to drop down dead .
The good lord is definitely trying to tell me something
And it’s not more sheep!

That's a shame, sorry to hear it. Is it blackleg?

 

[Davidg90]

I’m calving continentals as young as 22 months, don’t use any native breeding at all. Second calf and in calf again before their third birthday. I breed for easy calving daughters, I won’t use a bull for replacements without a good score for that. This allows be to use a slightly harder calving bull direct if the occasion arises but I would never go too extreme. We do our own AI and run a homebred pedigree Simmental sweeper bull after. Breed all our own replacements and gradually moving towards polled cattle too.

 

[JSmith]

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For the side be at 90 degrees to get the heart/lungs. 3" blade is long enough. But the bigger the knife the more damage the greater the margin of error.

For the front chest, you're aiming for the hollow at the base of the neck between spine and sternum. Point knife towards tail to cut the large blood vessels on the top of the heart.

For the throat, don't try to slice the skin from the outside. Stab in at the base of the jaw, getting as close to the spine as possible with the blade facing forwards. Then cut outwards to sever major blood vessels and trachea. Once you've done that you can use the nose as a lever, pull the head back and snap the spine, exposing the spinal cord. Cut that.

I've not tried it, but I think the pulling the front legs apart is rubbish.

I can’t believe we’re now giving details on how to successfully and professional ally kill a dog with a blade in three easy manoeuvres, legend

 

[unlacedgecko]

I can’t believe we’re now giving details on how to successfully and professional ally kill a dog with a blade in three easy manoeuvres, legend

Works for any mammal really. Just the required blade length will vary according to size.

Doesn't need to be 3 steps, any one of those sites will work in isolation. The man did ask, and I do like to helpful.

 

[Bill the Bass]

So instead of paying tax each year buy cows then eventually sell them all tax free?

Wouldn’t really work, it works best if you build a herd from retained cattle as they are on your books at 60%of value less costs to get them to market, so that is really where the taxable profit is as I understand.