Super/Mega Farms

[Hilly]

So what size does a farm become a super/mega farm?

Bigger than your own going by this

 

[Beef farmer]

No its not, the reason this scale is not achieved in the uk is because of the price of land and the price of labour.

Nocton dairy...

 

[Hilly]

Nocton dairy...

CO OP.

 

[Pebd99]

Bigger than your own going by this

Well seems to me that every industry has its smaller one band lads through to the massive company's. Does it make that much of a difference if businesses want to expand? Why should some places stop expanding? If the neighbour can't keep up with the price of the land then tough.

 

[Hilly]

Well seems to me that every industry has its smaller one band lads through to the massive company's. Does it make that much of a difference if businesses want to expand? Why should some places stop expanding? If the neighbour can't

I agree with you, farms have been getting bigger since time began.

 

[hindmaist]

So what size does a farm become a super/mega farm?

A super mega farm is one which is substantially bigger than an enormous farm.
By the time you read this,the required acreage will have risen substantially.

 

[spin cycle]

Well seems to me that every industry has its smaller one band lads through to the massive company's. Does it make that much of a difference if businesses want to expand? Why should some places stop expanding? If the neighbour can't keep up with the price of the land then tough.

one problem though... is it right that these mega farms should use sfp in excess of a million pounds/yr to fund they're growth?

or that land should be a tax haven ?

 

[hindmaist]

I agree with you, farms have been getting bigger since time began.

Except when holdings were created for returning servicemen.Most of which have long since been amalgamated.

 

[Pebd99]

one problem though... is it right that these mega farms should use sfp in excess of a million pounds/yr to fund they're growth?

or that land should be a tax haven ?

Why shouldn't they use their sfp to fund their growth? Everyone else that uses its sfp is using it to grow their business through many different ways.

Buying land for a tax haven normally comes up for sale again tho. Round here that happens.

 

[Henarar]

I agree with you, farms have been getting bigger since time began.

Were there any boundaries to the first farmed animals

 

[Hilly]

Were there any boundaries to the first farmed animals

I wasnt there but if they were farmed id presume so.

 

[hindmaist]

one problem though... is it right that these mega farms should use sfp in excess of a million pounds/yr to fund they're growth?

or that land should be a tax haven ?

I think it's wrong.I think subsidies should be severely capped and APR should be on a sliding scale.

 

[Pebd99]

I think it's wrong.I think subsidies should be severely capped and APR should be on a sliding scale.

Capping subsidies is crap. Making them fair and equal for all that require them is what should be.

Just cause a farm has reached a such a size you think it should have subby capped so penalising them for having some get up and go???

 

[Henarar]

I wasnt there but if they were farmed id presume so.

there are nomadic people in some countries that take their animals with them, they have a big farm Don't know if that happened here

 

[Hilly]

there are nomadic people in some countries that take their animals with them, they have a big farm Don't know if that happened here

I dont know, you could walk them cows of yours up here for summer then back down yonder for winter!

 

[hindmaist]

Transhumance.Subsidy payable for each mile walked.

 

[franklin]

Something like this.

 

[Pebd99]

Transhumance.Subsidy payable for each mile walked.

There will be plenty of mega farms that have walked the miles for subsidy payment. There are also those who take advantage of the system. Still no reason to penalise those who have possibly built up a farm over generations just cause they are able to buy more land thus getting a large subsidy.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Capping subsidies is crap. Making them fair and equal for all that require them is what should be.

Just cause a farm has reached a such a size you think it should have subby capped so penalising them for having some get up and go???

Capping subsidies is crap. Making them fair and equal for all that require them is what should be.

Just cause a farm has reached a such a size you think it should have subby capped so penalising them for having some get up and go???

i like the idea of fair and equal for all, pay one flat rate to all farmers, if being generous, the same as average wage, or alternatively the same as the dole. This would act as a safety net to ensure farming families and rural communities could carry on. After that you're on your own, you can expand your business as much as you like but you'll have to do it out of profits not at the taxpayers expense.

 

[Brisel]

Because nobody is employed locally.
You have a couple of tractor drivers who live miles away, all the cottages become holiday lets, bankers rent the farmhouse, nobody guves a f.uck
Total rural meltdown.

Less labour per unit of land, therefore less farm employees per village? Yes, fair point.

How do you keep labour on the land or at least in the area? Every other industry has seen fewer bigger businesses dominate too. Scale theoretically means lower costs per unit of output through spreading overheads. Ok, there are diseconomies of scale when unit margins suffer from lack of attention to detail or layers of management don't generate income, only adding cost. There's a sweet spot in the middle somewhere with a degree of both. Britain can't become prairie like - the geography simply won't allow it, nor will protected hedges etc.

At least the bankers & holiday lets need cleaners, plumbers and local food shops rather than properties lying empty and derelict. Smaller farms are going to continue to struggle to produce low value commodities post Brexit. Small farms need to play to their advantages - supply local demand, even if that is holiday lets, farm shops, added value goods & services etc.

Rural depopulation is hardly a new issue - it has been happening since the Industrial Revolution. The rural eonomy needs to adapt to survive.

What will you do to adapt?