Beware Delilah everyone... she v cross!!!
. I got past 'cross' with all of this a long time ago. I think 'bemused and despairing' would cover it now.
Beware Delilah everyone... she v cross!!!
So that’s £8.50/ha and is it every 5yrs I read?No, the tests will be per hectare, not per field
A couple of months delay now effectively means that actions based on those decisions will need to wait for 12 months….Can you publish them next week please????? We are makind management decisions Now!!!!
Fair question - we did, and we continue to do that, but that doesn't mean we will get things perfectly right first time - we will be learning, iterating and improving all the way through the transition, and you should see things continuously improving throughout that time. We think that is a better approach than trying to launch everything in a big bang, which is much more likely to result in failure of one sort or another.Why did you not work and listen to farmers before setting it up?
Not like it was just know last week that bps was going.
But I guess more trendy to take advice from anti farming (especially anti meat) groups instead.
You seem to satisfy the BPS-eligible requirement for SFI. But you also need to have sufficient management control of the land to deliver the agreement. In most cases, licenses won’t give sufficient management control. But we are aware of some cases (e.g. on MOD land) where the licences give a higher level of control, similar to a tenancy agreement. This is something we’ll explore before the scheme launches, to see whether we can enable farmers with shorter or different types of agreements to participate in the scheme.Hi Janet,
In the Policy paper released yesterday there is the following passage:
‘Where someone only has access to land under a licence arrangement (a licensee) it is unlikely they will have sufficient management control of the land for it to be eligible for SFI.’
We farm under license from a government body and have been able to claim BPS. Please can you confirm that if we were eligible for BPS, we will also be eligible for SFI?
Following on from this, our license agreement contains some SSSI prescriptions that could preclude us claiming SFI options and payments.
Under previous stewardship schemes, DEFRA has not paid for any action which is prescribed for in a tenancy or license agreement.
Will an general exemption to this rule be made in ELMS for tenants and licensees of public bodies?
Yes that is correct, the options are open to all and there is no queueI’m not understanding why there should be a queue - surely if there is a rate for an option then that rate would be available for all who can comply ?
All the money coming out of direct payments is going back to farmers through schemes eg SFI and Farming Investment Fund, each yearum ...looking at the 'payment rates' they seem to be between 12-33% of old bps payment..........so circa estimate £500 million out of the bps budget £1.8 billion.....so where's the other £1.3 billion going?
Sorry not to have been clear, I meant that the payment is not related to the results of the test. The payment for the standard includes payment for taking the test. The point of the test is to inform the farmer, not to provide data for Defra to use as the basis for checking up on people.Please don't take this personally, because it is genuinely aimed at Defra as a whole:
The arrogance in this attitude towards farmers and their understanding of their soil is breathtaking. Matched only by the complete and utter pointlessness of a measure which, by your own admission, is not tied in any way to the payment.
It's a metaphorical que for goodness sake. I just meant there were no permanent pasture options until 2024.Yes that is correct, the options are open to all and there is no queue
All the money coming out of direct payments is going back to farmers through schemes eg SFI and Farming Investment Fund, each year
We've said we'll keep the standards and rates under review - 'We will review payment rates at regular intervals and, when necessary, adapt them for future rounds of the scheme to ensure they remain fair, attractive and good value for money.'How long before the published payment rates are reviewed? They don't look very competitive when compared to commercial farming. Does it reflect defra's opinion that farm profitability will remain at levels we have seen over the last few years? What I mean is that in 10 year's time I hope we will be doing better than we are at the moment which will mean the payment for these various options will be very unattractive.
Yes, exactly - this is step 1 of a gradual rollout of the schemesso the payments mooted so far are just 'beginnings'.....then more lucrative stewardship like options will come along later?
Yes, exactly - this is step 1 of a gradual rollout of the schemes
Sorry not to have been clear, I meant that the payment is not related to the results of the test. The payment for the standard includes payment for taking the test. The point of the test is to inform the farmer, not to provide data for Defra to use as the basis for checking up on people.
No you won't have to collaborate with other farmers to go into local nature recovery - it will work like CS does now, with options you can choose, but with a wider range of options and some options selected based on local suitability and priorities (eg coastal habitat restoration in coastal areas).@Janet Hughes Defra that is encouraging to hear, do we know if we will HAVE to collaborate with other land managers to enter a local nature recovery scheme?
Also can you please put something like a cap in place to stop the massive estates swallowing all the cash? If I farmed 1000 acres how I farm 200 acres then I wouldn't need any subsidies.
No, they won't be the same, we’re reviewing the entire end to end process, including terms and conditions, based on what we’ve learned in the pilot so far. We'll publish new Ts&Cs before the scheme starts so you can see exactly what you're entering into. I've noted this feedback from you and others, and we're reviewing this point as part of our overall review.Here's a question for @Janet Hughes Defra
Are the terms and conditions for the full roll out of SFI going to be the same as they were for the pilot scheme, where you expect farmers to sign up to a binding agreement that gives DEFRA the right to change whatever it wants in an agreement, whenever it wants to? 'Cos frankly, that's going to put a hell of a lot of people off the idea.
To quote:
forgot to put a and I suspect @delilah got the joke so go need for you to get out your pramuncalled for 'jog on'
forgot to put a and I suspect @delilah got the joke so go need for you to get out your pram