Sustainable farming incentive details published today 2 December 2021

[delilah]

Have a look at the "ambition" for the Advanced Level Soil Management

Sure, but the references to soil disturbance in the introductory and intermediate have been dropped haven't they ? May be wrong, struggling to keep up .

'Ambition' is Defra code for 'we thought this was what we wanted to do, but we are now backtracking'. There's alot of it about at the moment. Quite right too.

 

[delilah]

Guessing you're 100% arable?

Keep guessing

 

[B'o'B]

Sure, but the references to soil disturbance in the introductory and intermediate have been dropped haven't they ? May be wrong, struggling to keep up .

'Ambition' is Defra code for 'we thought this was what we wanted to do, but we are now backtracking'. There's alot of it about at the moment. Quite right too.

I don't think it was ever in the Introductory level.

 

[B'o'B]

Keep guessing

Hydroponics?

 

[Goweresque]

You're out of date the new payment rate is only £40/Ha.

He might have to downgrade the Bugatti to an McLaren then, the shame! the shame! He'll never be able to hold his head up again at the Direct Drillers Club.......................

 

[delilah]

I don't think it was ever in the Introductory level.

The DD subsidy is dead.
Long live muck, the plough, and WW.

 

[B'o'B]

The DD subsidy is dead.
Long live muck, the plough, and WW.

Keep living the dream!

 

[ajd132]

The DD subsidy is dead.
Long live muck, the plough, and WW.

Delilah, do you happen to be lobbying for an agenda that suits you, whilst simultaneously getting incredibly upset and starting hundreds of threads about those who lobby for their agenda?

 

[delilah]

Delilah, do you happen to be lobbying for an agenda that suits you, whilst simultaneously getting incredibly upset and starting hundreds of threads about those who lobby for their agenda?

Sorry, you're still being too cryptic. What have I said or done to offend you ?

 

[ajd132]

Sorry, you're still being too cryptic. What have I said or done to offend you ?

You haven’t offended me

 

[B'o'B]

He might have to downgrade the Bugatti to an McLaren then, the shame! the shame! He'll never be able to hold his head up again at the Direct Drillers Club.......................

By my calculations even if you hit the intermediate level you won't quite claw back next years phased BPS reduction and almost get back to this years level. More a case of reducing the losses rather than making any gains.
It will be a familiar theme going forward I think.

 

[delilah]

You haven’t offended me

Is it my objection to one form of crop establishment being subsidized by the taxpayer over others ?

I have consistently said that all area payments should go to PP. How would that be working to my 'agenda' given that we are mainly arable ?

 

[devonbeef]

Its a pity the price for all our produce can not be paid for more fairly, Then we would not need all these grants /subsidies and be the puppets on strings to all and sundry.It would be better if the supermarket cartels were controlled by government regulation.We could afford the time to do the extra work which has been done for years by farmers to look after the countryside,Now we are all running so fast to stand still at best, with no spare money to pay for hedge layer,tree /hedge planting etc etc. Now we will be chasing more for peanuts for more work/ stress. Most of my BPs payment is spent paying local people to repair my tractors,Local contracting, etc etc, now increasingly all of this is going to be put onto my overlong list, and not spent in the local economy.That is until it gets to a point the balance is tipped too far, we are all only human.I really don,t think i am the only one thinking this.I Hope for the British public sake the the food boats are going to be there in a few years time, because i really do not believe the government really appreciated the consequence of the EA Rules, BPS disappearance and the rest of the long list of bits like Transport rules, Encouragement of a plant based diet ,much of which can not be grown on many uk farms.I for one am very near to the limit to how much more can be done by myself and funds available. Maybe as some have suggested it is intentional to make our lives impossible, you do wonder.

 

[Bobby Farmer]

You seem to satisfy the BPS-eligible requirement for SFI. But you also need to have sufficient management control of the land to deliver the agreement. In most cases, licenses won’t give sufficient management control. But we are aware of some cases (e.g. on MOD land) where the licences give a higher level of control, similar to a tenancy agreement. This is something we’ll explore before the scheme launches, to see whether we can enable farmers with shorter or different types of agreements to participate in the scheme.

Under SFI, we’ll pay for the actions as set out in the standards. You’ll need to do all the actions in any given level of a standard (we won’t tailor agreements individually).

If you have a SSSI, as part of the SFI application process you will need to get relevant regulatory permission from Natural England. We're working with NE to make this as straightforward as possible for people coming into SFI.

Hi Janet, thank you for replying. We farm as MOD licensees so I believe we would fulfil the ‘management control’ criteria (as we have done with BPS).

I appreciate that we would need Natural England permission to enter SFI on SSSI land (as we have done with previous stewardship schemes).

I want to clarify the 2nd question of my earlier post…

The MOD’s license agreement controls the way we farm - this is for good environmental reasons and for military reasons. An example of this is that we are not allowed to apply any fertiliser on certain parcels of land.

These restrictions have not prevented us from claiming BPS however it does prevent us from claiming some stewardship options (like GS2/GS6) as we are legally obliged through our license agreement to not carry out certain actions (like applying fertiliser).

The MOD’s license agreements are unlikely to change so unless DEFRA make an exemption for us then we will be both losing BPS and unable to claim large parts of SFI & ELMS.

 

[serf]

Isn't this whole thing just a complex garble that is going to take billions in administration either gov or mustard cords ... wouldn't it just be a whole lot easier and economic to give every acre 60 quid ....
Now if only someone had thought of that before

 

[DRC]

I bet our lord and master here on TFF is behind this soils standard being the first one that is rolled out, no coincidence that it fits his farming methods perfectly.........what it is to have friends in high places. £58/ha over a few 1000 acres should pay for another sports car I expect. The direct drilling god giveth CO2 savings, and the Porsche Owners club taketh them away again........ I fully expect the next SFI standard to be a special annual payment for all Fendt owners, based on the amount of fuel they create from unicorn farts. If the final one is a payment for anyone who isn't a member of the NFU we'll definitely know who has been writing the SFI rule book

I actually think you’re not far out on this . @Clive and co have Janet wrapped around their little fingers .
They forget that us mixed farmers have been applying manures, rotating grass etc for generations and don’t need Defra to tell us how to manage our soils( or souls as spellchecker rather aptly suggests ).

 

[serf]

Claiming beef special premium /extensification /ewe premium ect was a piece of pi$$ to this malarkey, they may aswell not bother if this is the best they can dream up, keep the money and keep out our hair!

 

[Against_the_grain]

Isn't this whole thing just a complex garble that is going to take billions in administration either gov or mustard cords ... wouldn't it just be a whole lot easier and economic to give every acre 60 quid ....
Now if only someone had thought of that before

Spot on. It seems like an awful lot of work/bureaucracy for very little gain. The only ones who are benefitting from this are the civil service

 

[B'o'B]

I actually think you’re not far out on this . @Clive and co have Janet wrapped around their little fingers .
They forget that us mixed farmers have been applying manures, rotating grass etc for generations and don’t need Defra to tell us how to manage our soils( or souls as spellchecker rather aptly suggests ).

Doesn't that mean that this is a pretty easy win for you?

Edit "win" might be over stating it a bit!

 

[theboytheboy]

I must be missing something here. £22/ha even £40/ha is going to get swallowed up rather quickly. Applying om to 1/3rd of our land every year!? Thats over 150Ha! Where on earth am I going to find that sort of product...oh and then the cost...Instead I plant a green cover but then I'm losing financially because I'm having to grow more spring crops. Seems to me all these payments will do is go someway to paying for the hoops that are set out for us. I genuinely cant see how i will financially be better off from being in the sfi. I must be missing something but it looks like a very easy decision to say no thanks?

Doesn't say how much organic matter? One wheel barrow load per acre?