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Or is this to incentivise us to spread more water companies waste?
Or is this to incentivise us to spread more water companies waste?
Doesn't say how much organic matter? One wheel barrow load per acre?
I actually think you’re not far out on this . @Clive and co have Janet wrapped around their little fingers .
They forget that us mixed farmers have been applying manures, rotating grass etc for generations and don’t need Defra to tell us how to manage our soils( or souls as spellchecker rather aptly suggests ).
Yep looks that way , box ticked ...Isn’t that vagueness a good thing?
You see i just dont trust this fixation on SOM , especially when for now you don't care what level its at and its upto us if we bother using the info.The point is to give farmers information about the health of your soil that you don't get from the tests you're required to do under farming rules for water (although you can do these tests alongside those, and some farmers already do that). This is so that you can decide what to do about it. The actions in the standard should increase your SOM over time, but we won't be using that information to check on you or use the results to deduct money. If they don't rise over time, that might give you useful information to decide what other action to take.
I bet our lord and master here on TFF is behind this soils standard being the first one that is rolled out, no coincidence that it fits his farming methods perfectly.........what it is to have friends in high places. £58/ha over a few 1000 acres should pay for another sports car I expect. The direct drilling god giveth CO2 savings, and the Porsche Owners club taketh them away again........ I fully expect the next SFI standard to be a special annual payment for all Fendt owners, based on the amount of fuel they create from unicorn farts. If the final one is a payment for anyone who isn't a member of the NFU we'll definitely know who has been writing the SFI rule book
As long as the matter is not the subject of an NE or RPA Inspectors personal interpretation....Isn’t that vagueness a good thing?
Yep looks that way , box ticked ...
Next trees worth of paperwork to wade thru ....
Yep looks that way , box ticked ...
Next trees worth of paperwork to wade thru ....
As long as the matter is not the subject of an NE or RPA Inspectors personal interpretation....
Meanwhile uk aviation kicks out 39 mega tons a year....We're not gathering the data from the tests and have no intention of using it in that way.
Yes, there are measurable outcomes from winter cover, organic matter and green cover. Also, assuming by 2028 the soil standards cover 50% to 70% of eligible agricultural soil in England, this could save approximately 330 to 460 thousand tonnes of CO2 equivalent in 2028.
On the level of this complex farce .... I doubt itHasn’t wading through paperwork been a requisite of every support scheme in the last couple of decades? It’s just that HMG have changed the required paperwork again.
It will likely still pay a better hourly rate than most other things you can do on a farm?
All process and no discernible product, is what the civil service have always done because they are spending other peoples money.Spot on. It seems like an awful lot of work/bureaucracy for very little gain. The only ones who are benefitting from this are the civil service
Isn't this whole thing just a complex garble that is going to take billions in administration either gov or mustard cords ... wouldn't it just be a whole lot easier and economic to give every acre 60 quid ....
Now if only someone had thought of that before
It doesn’t sound very simple to me! I don’t think one of the main reasons we broke away from the EU was to change farm subsidies.For purely political reasons, that can't happen. ELMS has to be seen to be very different from what has gone before, otherwise what was the point of breaking away from the EU ? That isn't to say that you are wrong in pointing out that current proposals are hopelessly over complex. The SFI has to be sufficiently simple that the smallest of farms can cope with the paperwork and the expenditure by Defra on admin is minimal.
All these various threads on here are doing is helping Defra to find that sweet spot, whereby the SFI is radical yet simple. They will get there.
This isn’t a subsidyIt doesn’t sound very simple to me! I don’t think one of the main reasons we broke away from the EU was to change farm subsidies.
It doesn’t sound very simple to me! I don’t think one of the main reasons we broke away from the EU was to change farm subsidies.
Maybe we should know how to test our own soil and do it ourselves.Normally, we’d expect soil organic matter test to be done in a laboratory, but it could be done on the farm if you have the equipment and know how to do it.
Does no input pp mean no muckspreading?No, there will be a separate standard for low and no input permanent pasture - that's because the actions required are quite different. Meanwhile we continue to offer options for permanent pasture through CS, and we will be publishing updated payment rates for those in the new year.