Sustainable Farming Incentive: how the scheme will work in 2022

Sustainable farming incentive details published today 2 December 2021

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ajd132

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You’ve achieved this by farming 1000s of acres though , which is fair play to you. But where does this leave the many smaller farms who are set up with paid for systems, like ploughs and combi drills , who don’t justify spending 1000s on direct drills . If the top tier and the better payments rely on no till, then the mixed family farms are going to be yet again disadvantaged.
I’m not arguing for or against it. It’s just the way things are going with far lucrative opportunities than SFI.
I completely get where you are coming from but it really does not cost a lot to get into. The majority of people I have learnt from are small farmers and I would put good money on the percentage of small farmers over large farmers doing it to be high. There is very few people doing it at a large scale in the uk. If anything it’s better for the smaller farmer as it requires more time, thought and effort but less money, inputs and power.
 

BrianV

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You’ve achieved this by farming 1000s of acres though , which is fair play to you. But where does this leave the many smaller farms who are set up with paid for systems, like ploughs and combi drills , who don’t justify spending 1000s on direct drills . If the top tier and the better payments rely on no till, then the mixed family farms are going to be yet again disadvantaged.
Unfortunately this whole ELMS scheme is designed to advantage the very farmers that in the government's view are ruining the countryside, livestock & mixed farmers whose farms are what the government wants to see will end up being the losers, isn't this always the case?
I see just yesterday that the government have found a spare billion pounds to sort out drug addicts & their suppliers!
 

bobk

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Unfortunately this whole ELMS scheme is designed to advantage the very farmers that in the government's view are ruining the countryside, livestock & mixed farmers whose farms are what the government wants to see will end up being the losers, isn't this always the case?
I see just yesterday that the government have found a spare billion pounds to sort out drug addicts & their suppliers!
This is SFI , not ELMS , that's another obstacle
 

ajd132

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Unfortunately this whole ELMS scheme is designed to advantage the very farmers that in the government's view are ruining the countryside, livestock & mixed farmers whose farms are what the government wants to see will end up being the losers, isn't this always the case?
I see just yesterday that the government have found a spare billion pounds to sort out drug addicts & their suppliers!
I disagree, I think small traditional mixed farms could really benefit from this if they stopped focusing all their creative thought on telling everyone why direct drilling doesn’t work
 

delilah

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I disagree, I think small traditional mixed farms could really benefit from this if they stopped focusing all their creative thought on telling everyone why direct drilling doesn’t work

lol. That, right there, is why you have lost your argument and why DD won't be getting a subsidy.
Show me a post on here, from anyone, that says that ploughing should receive a taxpayer subsidy over other forms of crop establishment. You can't. Whereas you, and others, have regularly put the case for DD receiving a taxpayer subsidy. In being so divisive, you have forced folks to be vociferous in pointing out that no method of crop establishment should be subbed over others. You should have kept your heads down and your mouths shut, you may have got away with it then.
 

steveR

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Agree, but the farms will still be £90/acre worse off than in the past despite being better paying than SFI, and it seems a shame that there will be no environmental / wildlife / public good in these areas, when I think well paid buffers to water / trees / hedges / housing could be a win for all.
Yep. KISS, and see the benefits and public goods required and free up funding for works, rather than for admin.
 

ajd132

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lol. That, right there, is why you have lost your argument and why DD won't be getting a subsidy.
Show me a post on here, from anyone, that says that ploughing should receive a taxpayer subsidy over other forms of crop establishment. You can't. Whereas you, and others, have regularly put the case for DD receiving a taxpayer subsidy. In being so divisive, you have forced folks to be vociferous in pointing out that no method of crop establishment should be subbed over others. You should have kept your heads down and your mouths shut, you may have got away with it then.
I don’t want a no till subsidy. Genuinely couldn’t care less.
The most interesting farms who I have learnt the most from are small, traditional mixed farms who happen to do no till successfully. It’s arguably where the whole regen movement started. I am saying the those small traditional mixed farms could and should be leading this whole thing.
 

delilah

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I don’t want a no till subsidy. Genuinely couldn’t care less.

Then why did you, months ago, post that you were looking forward to having Defra out on your farm so that you could point out the difference between no till and min till vis a vis the SFI standards ?

edit: and to depersonalize it, look at all those posts from @Clive @martian and others vilifying ploughing and looking forward to the taxpayer subbing DD ?
 

Humble Village Farmer

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Janet informed us that winter cereals would only qualify as greening if well established & advanced, with cereal seed treatment for control of aphids now withdrawn because the flowers on corn stalks attracting bees we are forced to control barley yellow dwarf virus from aphids by spraying the barley with insecticide there by killing all insects.
If we now drill later to avoid the aphids infecting the corn it will then not qualify as greening, seems counter productive!
I doubt you would get much to grow quicker than wheat at that time of year and for the £18 or £20 bandied about for trying to green it up with something else, I would have thought it was quite an easy decision to make.
 

ajd132

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Then why did you, months ago, post that you were looking forward to having Defra out on your farm so that you could point out the difference between no till and min till vis a vis the SFI standards ?
Because the differences are important (they never came btw). If someone asks to come and see what we are doing I am happy to oblige. But in reality how much is a no till payment going to be? £10/ha? Its
Hardly significant.
 

delilah

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Because the differences are important (they never came btw). If someone asks to come and see what we are doing I am happy to oblige. But in reality how much is a no till payment going to be? £10/ha? Its
Hardly significant.

It was going to be much more than that. Until you were all rumbled.
 

Humble Village Farmer

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Then why did you, months ago, post that you were looking forward to having Defra out on your farm so that you could point out the difference between no till and min till vis a vis the SFI standards ?

edit: and to depersonalize it, look at all those posts from @Clive @martian and others vilifying ploughing and looking forward to the taxpayer subbing DD ?
I think you are missing the point. All this is based on science, not belief or French farmers setting light to motorways
 

ajd132

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It was going to be much more than that. Until you were all rumbled.
LOL rumbled? I haven’t met or spoken to anyone from defra. The no till payment, even on the original proposals was a minuscule amount you had to do, you could still plough something like 80% of the farm.
Come on Delilah you need to get over this obsession, multiple threads a day and hundreds of posts over months which is basically you ranting about no till payments and permanent pasture.
by the way if I did meet defra then I will tell them I think no till is a superior establishment system if done well, I won’t ask for money though.
 

steveR

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Try this for size.
@Janet Hughes Defra knows that the SFI as it stands is a crock of sh!t. She is encouraging us to point out its flaws, either because those who are in charge are reading these threads, or so that she can write them a report based on these posts.
I very much doubt that TPTB are reading through what will be a 1K posts by the weekend! However we do know that @Janet Hughes Defra , and presumably, some of her colleagues are reading and responding like mad un's.

Will someone be brave enough to pull the plug on SFI as it stands....? Dunno. Pretty damn sad though if it is the lack of the two 70% targets figures being met, that scuppers it, when a better, simpler scheme could have the mass uptake that is wanted.

How to make SFI work...? Properly funded, and KISS
 

delilah

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you could still plough something like 80% of the farm.

Ah. OK. We invest in a whole new set of kit in order to get a crop from 20% of our farm. For no public good whatsoever. Got it.

Come on Delilah you need to get over this obsession, multiple threads a day and hundreds of posts over months which is basically you ranting about no till payments and permanent pasture.

It's called campaigning. I think there's some sort of block thing on here if it upsets you ?
 
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