Sustainable farming incentive details published today 2 December 2021

[Henarar]

Yes but the subsidy always finds its way back to the landowner in the form of rent.

Not true

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I think you're missing the point, I'm sure we would all prefer that the subsidies stopped & prices were realistic but that will never happen for as long as the EU & the devolved UK governments are prepared to subsidise their farmers properly then we will be forced to compete with them & when prices eventually start falling English farmers will be at a serious disadvantage.

Yes I agree with that, and it doesn't seem to register at government level. Not a problem at the moment they would probably say.

The idea that there is a utopia of returning to subsidies round the corner, just as soon as somebody realises what a brilliant system it would be, is unlikely.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Variable Premium doesn’t do much to help the true hill flocks though.

Exactly, us store sellers were just shafted by the buyers. They only looked at the hammer price to value their purchases, ignoring the uplift they got a few weeks later.

 

[Vader]

You're missing the point which is that subsidies allow uneconomic practices to continue. Why should we need them at all?

People will never value food while there's too much of it.

The corporate food system loves subsidies. They can buy at the cost of production and the supply keeps coming. There's always another mug to work for nothing.

We have some land that won't be viable once subsidy has gone.
So that will be less food.
Troubles is that until good prices go up enough, what do we do with the land .?