Sustainable Farming Incentive - Pilot Information (including PAYMENT RATES)

Hjcarter

Member
Yeah but then they want direct drilling but you have to incorporate manure, not sure how that works.
Let's go back to a more basic question about this - what happens if you a) can't afford a slurry injection set up or b) have no livestock and therefore nothing of your own to spread.

How long before there's a commodity market in sh*t?
 

mjdboor

Member
The pilot's not going to be anywhere near the final payment rate as we'll still be claiming BPs at the same time (albeit diminishing). Final rates will surely be much higher?
 

delilah

Member
The pilot's not going to be anywhere near the final payment rate as we'll still be claiming BPs at the same time (albeit diminishing). Final rates will surely be much higher?
Doesn't matter. They have set the pilot rates, and they make it quite clear that you are stuffed if you have PP. For the payment rates for PP to be 'much higher' then, all other things being equal, the payment rates on arable land would need to be much lower. To the point where maintaining your current PP is, financially, the best option. They can't achieve this by tinkering. Only a fundamental review will achieve the necessary public good.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Doesn't matter. They have set the pilot rates, and they make it quite clear that you are stuffed if you have PP. For the payment rates for PP to be 'much higher' then, all other things being equal, the payment rates on arable land would need to be much lower. To the point where maintaining your current PP is, financially, the best option. They can't achieve this by tinkering. Only a fundamental review will achieve the necessary public good.
A mass ploughing of PP would certainly bring about a "fundamental review" but the damage would already be done......
 

delilah

Member
A mass ploughing of PP would certainly bring about a "fundamental review" but the damage would already be done......
Quite. You said it yourself on this thread:

But, if that's the case then the arable soils advanced standard with all the additional options would be 30+47+59+114+114+114+311 = £789/ha :oops:
At what rate does PP need to be rewarded to compete with that ?
Anyone looking to make rational financial decisions, who has grassland, is being sent one message. Get it ploughed. ELMS is an ecological disaster before it has started.
 

delilah

Member
If the prices of wheat and barley stay as they are and they are not prepared to pay proper money for the environmental work who in the right mind is going to sign up for these schemes?
A DD continuous arable farmer. They wrote the rules, they have got what they wanted. Fair play to them for getting in there.
 

jackrussell101

Member
Mixed Farmer
Quite. You said it yourself on this thread:



At what rate does PP need to be rewarded to compete with that ?
Anyone looking to make rational financial decisions, who has grassland, is being sent one message. Get it ploughed. ELMS is an ecological disaster before it has started.
So if your in a basic level, and then upgrade to intermediate and advanced, you collect and accumulate the payments of all 3 tiers of them?

Like what I mean is you don't just receive the payment for advanced if your just in the advanced top tier?
 

delilah

Member
So if your in a basic level, and then upgrade to intermediate and advanced, you collect and accumulate the payments of all 3 tiers of them?

Like what I mean is you don't just receive the payment for advanced if your just in the advanced top tier?
The rates are on the link at the top of the thread, i'm only quoting others reading of it, you best have a look see.
The one action that jumps out is the below. That alone makes it worth ripping it up to put it back in again.

Actions required: convert a proportion of it to permanent grassland
Additional payment on top of the base payment: £311 per hectare
 

Rejuvenating swards: Which option is best?

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Written by Brian McDonnell

Maintaining grass quality during mid-season grazing is important. Farmers can maintain quality by entering ideal grazing covers of 1,300 – 1,500kg DM/ha, and grazing down to a residual of 4cm every rotation.

If you are now in a situation where cows are not cleaning out paddocks as well as they should be, leading to the development of steamy grass within the sward, here are some options.

Common options for rejuvenating swards include:

  1. Take a silage cut, probably into bales, remove the material and start again with the aftermath...
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