Let's go back to a more basic question about this - what happens if you a) can't afford a slurry injection set up or b) have no livestock and therefore nothing of your own to spread.
How long before there's a commodity market in sh*t?
Sustainable Farming Incentive - Pilot Information (including PAYMENT RATES)
- Thread starter midlandslad
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How long before there's a commodity market in sh*t?
Does anyone have any idea what the permanent pasture rate of pay per acre will be?
£22/ Ha.
This poster nailed it the minute the payment rates were published. If you can, get it ploughed.
A hectare?! That's ridiculous, I'm annoyed that you can only do GS4 on arable ground not on permanent pasture. So your saying get it all ploughed so you can have more options basically?
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
No. They've only published the initial rate under the SFI so far (£22/Ha). That's subject to revision as the pilot runs. In the full ELMS it could be much higher (or lower).
- Location
- South West
The pilot's not going to be anywhere near the final payment rate as we'll still be claiming BPs at the same time (albeit diminishing). Final rates will surely be much higher?
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- Location
- North Wilts
Farmers set for post-Brexit subsidy boost
Agriculture sector fears proposals to replace EU subsidies could drive people out of industry and put strain on the Union
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Doesn't matter. They have set the pilot rates, and they make it quite clear that you are stuffed if you have PP. For the payment rates for PP to be 'much higher' then, all other things being equal, the payment rates on arable land would need to be much lower. To the point where maintaining your current PP is, financially, the best option. They can't achieve this by tinkering. Only a fundamental review will achieve the necessary public good.
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
A mass ploughing of PP would certainly bring about a "fundamental review" but the damage would already be done......
If the prices of wheat and barley stay as they are and they are not prepared to pay proper money for the environmental work who in the right mind is going to sign up for these schemes?
Quite. You said it yourself on this thread:
But, if that's the case then the arable soils advanced standard with all the additional options would be 30+47+59+114+114+114+311 = £789/ha
At what rate does PP need to be rewarded to compete with that ?
Anyone looking to make rational financial decisions, who has grassland, is being sent one message. Get it ploughed. ELMS is an ecological disaster before it has started.
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Agriculture sector fears proposals to replace EU subsidies could drive people out of industry and put strain on the Union
- Location
- Northumberlandia
so frsutrating that is
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A DD continuous arable farmer. They wrote the rules, they have got what they wanted. Fair play to them for getting in there.
So if your in a basic level, and then upgrade to intermediate and advanced, you collect and accumulate the payments of all 3 tiers of them?
Like what I mean is you don't just receive the payment for advanced if your just in the advanced top tier?
Going on my own figures the dd option will have to pay a lot more than they are talking about to make it stack up!
The rates are on the link at the top of the thread, i'm only quoting others reading of it, you best have a look see.
The one action that jumps out is the below. That alone makes it worth ripping it up to put it back in again.
Actions required: convert a proportion of it to permanent grassland
Additional payment on top of the base payment: £311 per hectare
There's a DD'er repeatedly made the comment on here "Paying me to do what I do anyway" .