Sustainable Farming Incentive - Pilot Information (including PAYMENT RATES)

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
More info available here
Some useful extra detail in there. It seems you can enter land parcels in different standards or to different levels. It also seems they are accepting holdings with land in CS but that CS land is excluded.

The Ts & Cs seem less severe than in past schemes as well.
 

Bignor Farmer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
West Sussex
My initial though is that a lot is going to ride on risk assessments for soil erosion & runoff. We have quite a lot of steep fields and how we assess them will have a huge impact on how we go forward if we want the advanced standards.
If we assess a large area as high or very high risk of runoff then I will need arable reversion on 50% of it and strip/direct drill the rest of it. I’ll also need to find a lower risk 10% of the farm for my bird options.
How long will they pay arable reversion rates for beyond the end of the pilot? Not long is my bet then it presumably falls under the no/low input grassland standard at 25% of the payment.... interesting times!
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
My initial though is that a lot is going to ride on risk assessments for soil erosion & runoff. We have quite a lot of steep fields and how we assess them will have a huge impact on how we go forward if we want the advanced standards.
If we assess a large area as high or very high risk of runoff then I will need arable reversion on 50% of it and strip/direct drill the rest of it. I’ll also need to find a lower risk 10% of the farm for my bird options.
How long will they pay arable reversion rates for beyond the end of the pilot? Not long is my bet then it presumably falls under the no/low input grassland standard at 25% of the payment.... interesting times!
Those are the sort of issues that will be critically important for success or failure. (y)

Past performance on such things is that the land will become designated as protected in its new state......
 

DRC

Member
My initial though is that a lot is going to ride on risk assessments for soil erosion & runoff. We have quite a lot of steep fields and how we assess them will have a huge impact on how we go forward if we want the advanced standards.
If we assess a large area as high or very high risk of runoff then I will need arable reversion on 50% of it and strip/direct drill the rest of it. I’ll also need to find a lower risk 10% of the farm for my bird options.
How long will they pay arable reversion rates for beyond the end of the pilot? Not long is my bet then it presumably falls under the no/low input grassland standard at 25% of the payment.... interesting times!
We had arable reversion in HLS for 10 years. At the end of the agreement they wouldn’t just carry on paying, but offered just £30 acre as p pasture, so it all got ploughed up again and is growing crops such as maize. So much for joined up thinking .
 

DRC

Member
I was talking to an advisor this week, who had been working with a girl finishing her PHD in environmental science or something similar. She was going to work for one of the agencies to begin collecting data for ELMs. I asked why could they use data from the many schemes like HLS that had run for years. He said no one had kept the data.
So lord knows when we will have a working Elms scheme.
 

delilah

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:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
We had arable reversion in HLS for 10 years. At the end of the agreement they wouldn’t just carry on paying, but offered just £30 acre as p pasture, so it all got ploughed up again and is growing crops such as maize. So much for joined up thinking .

As said on page 1 of this thread, ELMS is an attempt to replicate HLS over the entire farmed area of England and will achieve the same level of public good. None.
 

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