Swift action required on RPA incorrect BPS land parcel mergers

[holwellcourtfarm]

I have just seen this courtesey of the NFU:
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Swift action required on BPS land parcel mergers

Farmers are urged to make sure they meet a 17 March deadline after it emerged that the RPA may have merged some BPS land parcels incorrectly.

This may have been caused by remote sensing inspections, or proactive land change detection. It is unknown how many claimants may be involved. The RPA has said parcels of land may have been merged incorrectly where:

- There is a clear obstructing boundary between them, or
- They are being claimed on by more than one customers and the boundary between them is identified by marker posts or similar.

Farmers and agents are being urged to check the data and submit an RLE1 by 17 March where mistakes have happened.

An RPA statement said: ‘We will continue to make changes where only one customer is affected. However, we have amended our process so that where more than one customer is affected by a merge, the changes will not be made until they have been checked and confirmed with those customers.

‘Where land parcels have been merged, either before the above change in our process or as a single-owned parcel, customers and agents should submit an RLE1 form and sketch map to request that the merged land parcels be split again.

‘Where this request for a split in the land parcel involves land owned by more than one customer, submit only one request and include a covering letter to confirm that all parties have agreed to the correction.

‘Completed RLE1s, sketch maps and covering letters must be submitted by post and we must receive them by 5pm on 17 March 2017. We will then make every effort to correct the land parcel information by the end of March 2017 to support land transfers and related land check completions before 2017 BPS online applications are submitted.’

The agency added that requests received after 17 March 2017 may require an amend to the online claim to reflect the correct position, as the RPA may not be able to action the changes before the BPS 2017 application deadline.
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Why can't they just leave our parcels alone unless we tell them they have changed?

 

[Wombat]

Their remote sensing software is seriously shocking. Do you need to start the application or just check the fields are there as normal?

When they have done this in the past on the old system with remote sensing I have just rung them and said put it back as it was as they could see the history of the fields now we have to use paper forms. What next communication with slate tablets and chalk?

 

[fieldfarmer]

How do I check if they have changed anything on my maps before the 17th? I haven't been paid as undergone remote inspection , at the moment my online maps look correct but what if they alter them? If they wrongly alter my maps why have I got a deadline to meet to fix their fuge up.

 

[Wombat]

How do I check if they have changed anything on my maps before the 17th? I haven't been paid as undergone remote inspection , at the moment my online maps look correct but what if they alter them? If they wrongly alter my maps why have I got a deadline to meet to fix their fuge up.

Unfortunately we were in the same position last year having not been paid until after the deadline so we just had to do it as it was and hope for the best

 

[Wombat]

well i have just checked and a load of our permenant inelligeble features have disapeared ffs one of them i only put back in in 2015. Does that mean i have to do an RLE 1 to put the things back in before next week?

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

How do I check if they have changed anything on my maps before the 17th? I haven't been paid as undergone remote inspection , at the moment my online maps look correct but what if they alter them? If they wrongly alter my maps why have I got a deadline to meet to fix their fuge up.

@RPA ?
Is there any way to just get a change reversed without submitting a paper RLE1?

 

[Wombat]

The irony of mine is the background to the land parcels on the rpa website when you click on them shows the ineligeble features, so someone has just approved the changes without actually looking at them

 

[fieldfarmer]

@RPA ?
Is there any way to just get a change reversed without submitting a paper RLE1?

Should they not be made to have to notify us with a rel 1 form if they want to change our boundaries .

 

[fieldfarmer]

Just checked my maps, using @Wombat tip with the back ground in place and all the yard and biosolids store and new yard are all back in even though they were removed, how the hell are they going to sort out my 16 claim with this wrong info, are they waiting till after the 17 th in the hope i'll do their job for them with new rel 1 forms.

 

[Wombat]

Just checked my maps, using @Wombat tip with the back ground in place and all the yard and biosolids store and new yard are all back in even though they were removed, how the hell are they going to sort out my 16 claim with this wrong info, are they waiting till after the 17 th in the hope i'll do their job for them with new rel 1 forms.

I recon they must have sensed late summer/autumn last year as a couple of ponds they adjusted the size of last year on the 2016 app have now disappeared as they dry up at the end of the summer normally, still there on and on the background layer.

 

[franklin]

They havent corrected errors from 2015.

 

[Wombat]

They havent corrected errors from 2015.

Ours was fine last year this year ineligable stuff has gone missing, i just don't really want to have to put inelligeble features back in every year with RLE1 at the moment its looking like 2 out of 3yrs and its starting to be a PIA. will ring em in the morning see if it is an RLE1 or if i can speak to someone and get em fixed.

 

[franklin]

if i can speak to someone and get em fixed.

In the olden days of SFP, you just rang up mapping and told someone what was wrong, they sent you an amended PDF and you sent it back saying it was now right.

 

[Wombat]

In the olden days of SFP, you just rang up mapping and told someone what was wrong, they sent you an amended PDF and you sent it back saying it was now right.

Yup i think i had 4 straight years of them remote sensing under the old sensing and it was dead simple to fix it. The fact the are Permenant Ineligble feature and they have decided they are not is rather ironic.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

@Guy Smith - Any thoughts on the RPA incorrectly ammending RLR mapping unilaterally?

 

[Feldspar]

Should they not be made to have to notify us with a rel 1 form if they want to change our boundaries .

Unfortunately they don't.

 

[Feldspar]

Ours was fine last year this year ineligable stuff has gone missing, i just don't really want to have to put inelligeble features back in every year with RLE1 at the moment its looking like 2 out of 3yrs and its starting to be a PIA. will ring em in the morning see if it is an RLE1 or if i can speak to someone and get em fixed.

In the olden days of SFP, you just rang up mapping and told someone what was wrong, they sent you an amended PDF and you sent it back saying it was now right.

The RPA have changed our maps a lot over the last year in an unprompted manner. Often you would put a parcel in for an amendment via an RLE1 form. They would then fix that issue but fiddle around with other features in the parcel.

If that has been done, the way I went about it was to send an email to [email protected] with an explanation of the problem. I found that more productive because an RLE1 form simply didn't have the latitude to explain the problem in enough detail.

I have ended up checking our maps every month or so to try and detect any fiddling. Whilst there is an "!" mark to show upcoming changes, there is no digital mark when a parcel has been changed. I recommend to the @RPA that this be improved upon because it is an unwanted burden to keep having to monitor the maps for incorrect amendments.

 

[franklin]

My approach for this year is not to communicate with them. Agent will check everything in May, and send in everything for them to put it right along with a letter saying he has checked all the fields and they had better bloody well get it fixed. Will copy in local MP at the same time. Checking it often would just make my blood boil as random, unexplained things happen.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Last time here they failed to detect the fence between our meadows and the ornamental lawns of the manor house, despite the lawns bring nicely stripey in the aerial photo, and added them to our field

Now they've added the embankment around the gypsy camp to our adjacent field

 

[Wombat]

Well spoke to a real helpful lady, unfortunatley we cannot speak direct to mapping like before but i gave here the numbers and they will see if they can fix these PIF going missing. Hopefully mapping will send us an email back saying they have fixed it.

Just need to go ahead with the claim and then might need to do an RLE1 but as they are PIF that can be in later. It does seem to go against the notion of Permenantly Inelligeble if they can take them out when the feel like it.