Swiss ask their general public to vote on pesticide referendum

[br jones]

and the people of switzerland turned the proposal and many other green questions down

 

[B'o'B]

Not the answers they had bargained on - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57457384

"A proposal to outlaw artificial pesticides, and another to improve drinking water by giving subsidies only to farmers who eschew chemicals were both voted down by 61%. "

 

[Exfarmer]

The Swiss referendum on lockdown rules shames Britain's authoritarian stance

Switzerland trusts the Swiss people to decide what is best for them. It’s time the British people got the same right

www.telegraph.co.uk

Swiss people trusted by their Government.

Swiss voted to maintain strict lock down though, despite cvocal opposition from some quarters

 

[Lowland1]

Swiss voted to maintain strict lock down though, despite cvocal opposition from some quarters

It's their choice that's the point. I haven't seen the results but my daughter's godmother is Swiss and they do treat their population as adults. Boris works on the Groucho Marx theory of any club that would have him as a member is not a club he'd want to join. Or any electorate that would vote him in is too stupid to be trusted with any decisions.

 

[DrWazzock]

Well done the Swiss people. I always found them to be pragmatic and reasonable.

 

[le bon paysan]

well they are fudgeed then the Swiss like nothing better than to ban things

Yep.
They banned Swiss farmers from keeping Hens in cages and barns.. Laudable.
What they achieved was the end of the Swiss egg industry because the supermarkets just imported all the eggs from Poland.
They should have banned the SALE of barn and Cage eggs.
Doubt they have learned.

 

[Happy]

As Billy Connolly once said.
Nothing good has ever come out of Switzerland, Cuckoo Clocks and f**king Toblerone

 

[GeorgeK]

Just shows that a lot of the green agenda goes too far and lacks voter support. Unfortunately in this country voters don't get to decide because like a toxic fungus Nut Nuts and her unelected activist chums are poisoning our government from the inside.

 

[wanton dwarf]

It's their choice that's the point. I haven't seen the results but my daughter's godmother is Swiss and they do treat their population as adults. Boris works on the Groucho Marx theory of any club that would have him as a member is not a club he'd want to join. Or any electorate that would vote him in is too stupid to be trusted with any decisions.

There is a certain point where some people realise their view points do not match reality .. I guess you are not in our universe just yet.

Boris IS a knob end, without a doubt.

But IMHO that's because he IS a green, IS a bureacrat and is definately NOT a Conservative - believes in small government.

 

[Lowland1]

There is a certain point where some people realise their view points do not match reality .. I guess you are not in our universe just yet.

Boris IS a knob end, without a doubt.

But IMHO that's because he IS a green, IS a bureacrat and is definately NOT a Conservative - believes in small government.

He is a politician whose aim was to get elected anyway possible and I honestly don't think he has any morals or real beliefs his aim is to be popular anyway possible and whilst i like the Swiss model of referendums the truth is that in democracies the thick people's vote is worth as much as the clever people's. I am as much to blame as anyone as I thought people like Johnson and Trump etc would be a breath of fresh air when in fact they are far more corrupt than what went before.

 

[Dave645]

Bet they will complain more when their kids are hungry,

Some of these radicals would burn the legs on the chair they are sat on, they have no realisation to the full outcome of that way of thinking.
they will only see their mistake when the burning they started gets to them.

just look at one of the negative comments to Jeremy Clarkson’s new show on Amazon.

what hope do we have if that’s a common view, in some circles.

 

[DrWazzock]

He is a politician whose aim was to get elected anyway possible and I honestly don't think he has any morals or real beliefs his aim is to be popular anyway possible and whilst i like the Swiss model of referendums the truth is that in democracies the thick people's vote is worth as much as the clever people's. I am as much to blame as anyone as I thought people like Johnson and Trump etc would be a breath of fresh air when in fact they are far more corrupt than what went before.

I have said it before and I’ll say it again. Boris jumped down off the Brexit fence at the last minute when he could see an opportunity for himself. He had not put in the years of groundwork getting the Brexit cause to that stage. He could see it was a bandwagon that would get into Downing Street. Not sure he is even a Conservative. His wife certainly isn’t. Fiscal discipline gone. Hard Green policies in. He is surrounded by hardline champagne ecologists who couldn’t care less about the impact of their grand schemes on the ordinary folk and he listens to whoever can spin the most votes. It’s worrying.
Nigel Farage, love him or loathe him, was the only man who stuck to his convictions and of course was cast aside by the Tories once he’d done all the groundwork. It speaks volumes about the Conservative Party in my view. A party with an ideological vacuum at the centre for 30 years or more. They like it that way though because they can periodically fill that vacuum with whatever populist tripe will get them elected.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

Swiss agriculture is very heavily subsidised.
The Swiss form of democracy involves a lot of referendums on everything from Covid lockdown to whether cows should have horns.
Put the two together and look out!
Also a lot of the Swiss public vote to stifle their farmers, then nip over to Germany to Aldi and Lidl for their weekly shop.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Yep.
They banned Swiss farmers from keeping Hens in cages and barns.. Laudable.
What they achieved was the end of the Swiss egg industry because the supermarkets just imported all the eggs from Poland.
They should have banned the SALE of barn and Cage eggs.
Doubt they have learned.

As with all things they (the politicians) asked the wrong question. Or they asked the right question, but didn't understand what the answer would mean because they simply don't understand anything much because it doesn't affect them personally.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Some of these radicals would burn the legs on the chair they are sat on, they have no realisation to the full outcome of that way of thinking.
they will only see their mistake when the burning they started gets to them.

just look at one of the negative comments to Jeremy Clarkson’s new show on Amazon.
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what hope do we have if that’s a common view, in some circles.

One of the beautiful things about natural selection is that these people will never number much beyond a small proportion of the overall population. Mankind will survive in the long run, does it matter if these particular people don't?

 

[Happy]

As with all things they (the politicians) asked the wrong question. Or they asked the right question, but didn't understand what the answer would mean because they simply don't understand anything much because it doesn't affect them personally.

Big difference is Swiss Government were advising people to reject the ban of Pesticides.
Our Government with nut nuts, along with her hero Zac Goldsmith and Tony Juniper pulling the strings at Defra would be very much campaigning for a ban.
Idealistic zealots.

 

[Lowland1]

As with all things they (the politicians) asked the wrong question. Or they asked the right question, but didn't understand what the answer would mean because they simply don't understand anything much because it doesn't affect them personally.

If you ask the question should we take steps to protect the planet against Global warming? Yes or No it’s obvious the answer will be yes but load the question a bit and see what happens eg in order to save the planet should we tax air travel so that only the very wealthy can travel Yes or No?
and see what happens does self interest outweigh mutual benefit.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Big difference is Swiss Government were advising people to reject the ban of Pesticides.
Our Government with nut nuts, along with her hero Zac Goldsmith and Tony Juniper pulling the strings at Defra would be very much campaigning for a ban.
Idealistic zealots.

Thanks, I just assume all govts are as catastrophically thick as ours is.

 

[DaveGrohl]

If you ask the question should we take steps to protect the planet against Global warming? Yes or No it’s obvious the answer will be yes but load the question a bit and see what happens eg in order to save the planet should we tax air travel so that only the very wealthy can travel Yes or No?
and see what happens does self interest outweigh mutual benefit.

Indeed, and everything is very much phrased in the former manner these days, to allow them to get the answer they want so they can use the answer as a lever to progress agendas.

 

[Bald Rick]

I see that the Swiss have voted against having a carbon tax on fuel and flying.

Swiss voters reject key climate change measures

In a shock result, voters narrowly reject a tax on flights and a fuel levy among other policies.

www.bbc.co.uk

Surprised to be honest