T6.145 Autocommand purchase?

[Fragonard]

only sold the tm this week, and both other tractors still available, test drove a dynamic command on Friday and will continue for an auto command.

Some people say the DC is almost like a AC.

 

[DrDunc]

Some people say the DC is almost like a AC.

Have those people ever driven an infinitely variable transmission?

DC is undoubtedly a very slick and pleasant 8 speed sequential gearbox, attached to a not so slick 3 range robotised shift, controlled by utterly incomprehensible auto shift logic

But once you get to the field and stick on the PTO (the awful NH cab ergonomics means you constantly knock the PTO switch) it's still a fixed ratio gearbox, with large overlaps, and relatively actual speed options

AC, IVT, Vario, Direct, (or whatever you want to call the various infinitely variable and hydrostatic transmissions available), are all WAY more versatile

 

[ColinV6]

Have those people ever driven an infinitely variable transmission?

DC is undoubtedly a very slick and pleasant 8 speed sequential gearbox, attached to a not so slick 3 range robotised shift, controlled by utterly incomprehensible auto shift logic

But once you get to the field and stick on the PTO (the awful NH cab ergonomics means you constantly knock the PTO switch) it's still a fixed ratio gearbox, with large overlaps, and relatively actual speed options

AC, IVT, Vario, Direct, (or whatever you want to call the various infinitely variable and hydrostatic transmissions available), are all WAY more versatile

Absoltuely this. Dynamic is really nothing like an autocommand. It’s a very smooth and efficient box but it’s still limited in comparison.

 

[ollie989898]

Have those people ever driven an infinitely variable transmission?

DC is undoubtedly a very slick and pleasant 8 speed sequential gearbox, attached to a not so slick 3 range robotised shift, controlled by utterly incomprehensible auto shift logic

But once you get to the field and stick on the PTO (the awful NH cab ergonomics means you constantly knock the PTO switch) it's still a fixed ratio gearbox, with large overlaps, and relatively actual speed options

AC, IVT, Vario, Direct, (or whatever you want to call the various infinitely variable and hydrostatic transmissions available), are all WAY more versatile

I have utterly no idea why anyone would buy anything but an IVT now. Gentler on your legs (can drive all day on the stick a lot of them and never touch the brakes or go pedal), gentler on kit, less 'snatching' as gears are changing, smoother take off at junctions, less noise etc etc etc. For loader work it is literally a no-brainer as well. About the only reason I've heard people complain about them is: 'iT wON't gO fASt uP hIlLs'...

 

[oil barron]

Have those people ever driven an infinitely variable transmission?

DC is undoubtedly a very slick and pleasant 8 speed sequential gearbox, attached to a not so slick 3 range robotised shift, controlled by utterly incomprehensible auto shift logic

But once you get to the field and stick on the PTO (the awful NH cab ergonomics means you constantly knock the PTO switch) it's still a fixed ratio gearbox, with large overlaps, and relatively actual speed options

AC, IVT, Vario, Direct, (or whatever you want to call the various infinitely variable and hydrostatic transmissions available), are all WAY more versatile

The ranges are powershift. It’s the 8 speeds that are robotised synchro changes.

 

[Timbo]

The ranges are powershift. It’s the 8 speeds that are robotised synchro changes.

Long term it's questionable how these synchro's will last.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Long term it's questionable how these synchro's will last.

If driven in manual mode they should last ok as not constantly changin gear

 

[e3120]

If driven in manual mode they should last ok as not constantly changin gear

As I understand these dual clutch trannys, they will be constantly second-guessing the next gear, even in manual. I wonder what happens when they guess wrong, due to the operator doing something unexpected.

 

[daveydiesel1]

As I understand these dual clutch trannys, they will be constantly second-guessing the next gear, even in manual. I wonder what happens when they guess wrong, due to the operator doing something unexpected.

Surely they should have software on it that its not doin that while in manual

 

[e3120]

Surely they should have software on it that its not doin that while in manual

It's got to do it to have the next gear ready, or it would just be an 80's synchromesh box with a fancy gear lever.

 

[hutchy143211]

As I understand these dual clutch trannys, they will be constantly second-guessing the next gear, even in manual. I wonder what happens when they guess wrong, due to the operator doing something unexpected.

For the most part the computer can be easier on the gearbox/CVT by preventing damage actions I.e. slamming it down a gear or delaying a gear change for a split second to select the appropriate gear. The issue is certain operator functions can't be 'prevented' by the computer for safety reasons I.e. you can still ride the clutch in any transmission as the operator need to have full clutch control when needed.

 

[ollie989898]

For the most part the computer can be easier on the gearbox/CVT by preventing damage actions I.e. slamming it down a gear or delaying a gear change for a split second to select the appropriate gear. The issue is certain operator functions can't be 'prevented' by the computer for safety reasons I.e. you can still ride the clutch in any transmission as the operator need to have full clutch control when needed.

I'm not sure all transmissions even have what would equate a traditional main clutch as such these days?

 

[Fragonard]

A friend of mine was a die hard 6cyl fan and changed an MXM140 (TM150) for a Maxxum 150 (T6.180) and says he wishes now he went for the 4 cyl 145 as we compare our fuel useage mine does seem to be quite a bit better with no real difference in performance.

I would think this is why CNH only offer one 6cyl option throughout the Maxxum/T6 range as they can get the 4cyl to perform equally as well with a considerable fuel saving.

According to Profi tests, the 6 cylinder uses 3% more fuel than 4cy

 

[Fragonard]

only sold the tm this week, and both other tractors still available, test drove a dynamic command on Friday and will continue for an auto command.

Did u find a suitable AC?
They're scarce out there.

 

[grangenolvinfarm]

I already have T7.190 auto command, and after buying one I have now decided to get another, hence changing to a 2018 145 with 3100 hours or a 2014 golden jubilee t6.160 AC for similar money with 5000 hours. But conscious of the fact will be going down to 4 cylinder from 6 in the TM130.

Apologies for not updating, its good to keep forums updated/with solution.
In 2022, when I posted this. I ended up purchasing the T6.145 AC and was a great decision.
Went up to dealer recently that had T6.160 AC Golden Jubilee and he still never advertised, just used it himself. So I sold my owned from new TSa and purchased it this week.
So in the end I bought both

 

[seedman stains]

So what jobs does the 145 do? is was it match for the tm?

 

[grangenolvinfarm]

So what jobs does the 145 do? is was it match for the tm?

The 145 did the ploughing, bit of trailer work and is now ISOBUS and GPS for spreading/spraying between T7 AC.
145 has plenty of power much more comfortable than TM, the TM had the supersteer...
145 extremely pokey, would recommend highly.