Take and no give

Scotty

Member
get a hold of yourself man, your getting the pee taken
I'm sure the invoice will disappear if you mentioned quarry/planning/aggregate tax/red diesel regs
time to stomp on some toes if you don't want it to continue.
 

DX 3.90

Member
Location
Shropshire
Surely it's actually nothing to do with you! You have instructed or have a contract with the builder for a completed house, how he gets it to that stage is down to him unless you have a project manager.
If the soil had been removed by lorry and gone then new stone delivered by an unknown supplier you wouldn't think twice about it, don't worry about someone making a few quid and don't fall out with the neighbours!!
 

mo!

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
York
Surely it's actually nothing to do with you! You have instructed or have a contract with the builder for a completed house, how he gets it to that stage is down to him unless you have a project manager.
If the soil had been removed by lorry and gone then new stone delivered by an unknown supplier you wouldn't think twice about it, don't worry about someone making a few quid and don't fall out with the neighbours!!
Exactly!
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
Surely it's actually nothing to do with you! You have instructed or have a contract with the builder for a completed house, how he gets it to that stage is down to him unless you have a project manager.
If the soil had been removed by lorry and gone then new stone delivered by an unknown supplier you wouldn't think twice about it, don't worry about someone making a few quid and don't fall out with the neighbours!!

It's the OP's soil which the builder has chosen to dispose of/sell without asking. Soil/infill is a valuable material and the OP should at least been consulted. It is not the builder's to dispose of. I assume DX and mo! don't lock the house when they go out and let anyone walk in and help themselves?

As I read it, the OP is now being asked to pay for stone he didn't buy, so there is no contract except between the neighbour and the builder. If the builder is being paid to do the job, i.e. self employed, he pays for any stone required as that's included in the overall cost.

The OP has a project manager. It's himself. Maybe not a very good one, but he is still the one who says yay or nay -- and should at least be consulted.

I am not a bit surprised to hear the builder is in a mess financially and sacking him would probably be best, but sometimes in the country a bad builder is better than no builder at all. A retired regular army colonel once told me the best way toi get results is to ask questions -- and keep asking them until you get the answers.
 

mo!

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
York
It's the OP's soil which the builder has chosen to dispose of/sell without asking. Soil/infill is a valuable material and the OP should at least been consulted. It is not the builder's to dispose of. I assume DX and mo! don't lock the house when they go out and let anyone walk in and help themselves?

As I read it, the OP is now being asked to pay for stone he didn't buy, so there is no contract except between the neighbour and the builder. If the builder is being paid to do the job, i.e. self employed, he pays for any stone required as that's included in the overall cost.

The OP has a project manager. It's himself. Maybe not a very good one, but he is still the one who says yay or nay -- and should at least be consulted.

I am not a bit surprised to hear the builder is in a mess financially and sacking him would probably be best, but sometimes in the country a bad builder is better than no builder at all. A retired regular army colonel once told me the best way toi get results is to ask questions -- and keep asking them until you get the answers.
You've missed the point. The OP has contracted with the builder. That is who he should talk to. If a builder approaches me and asks me to shift some soil then I deal with him. If the owner then came round asking for cash he'd be told to jog on. My current builder was told that we would shift the spoil and it was priced in. And I lock my house thanks.
 

Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
see thee is a good few standing on the other foot today on this,

if someone posted on here about a house builder want to tip soil on there farm, the posts would be rip the builder off, and charge a fortune for it, yet now it's be lead away there say it's worth good money,

either way, it's nothing to do with the farmer, it's the guy that sorted it, ie project manager or builder,
the op needs to take this as a lesson, and keep his finger on the pulse,

no third party to blame on this ie the farmer
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
You've missed the point. The OP has contracted with the builder. That is who he should talk to. If a builder approaches me and asks me to shift some soil then I deal with him. If the owner then came round asking for cash he'd be told to jog on. My current builder was told that we would shift the spoil and it was priced in. And I lock my house thanks.

It is not the builder's soil to dispose of.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Thread hi-jack, if I may.......

What licences / certificates / permissions would I need to fill an old slurry lagoon with sub / topsoil ?
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
So the problem is with the builder.

If the OP is having material removed and possibly sold without his authority, it is very much his problem.

It is also the builder's problem if he is removing property without authorisation and the OP reports it to the police.

It is called theft.

Definition: In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
It is also the landowners' problem if he has allowed potentially contaminated material to be removed from his property without the correct paperwork, or if it is in breach of any planning conditions.
 

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