Taking back control

[wanton dwarf]

You cannot take this quota back, the courts here would not allow it.

Parliament is the ultimate arbiter.

Whatever is decided as policy is the law, the courts enforce parliaments decisions not vice versa.

That's the whole point of Brexit.

If what you say is true then we've basically lost control of our waters .. obviously that's not the case, quotas will decided by HMG not courts.

 

[caveman]

Quota won't mean a fig when there be Klingons on the starboard bow

 

[Exfarmer]

Parliament is the ultimate arbiter.

Whatever is decided as policy is the law, the courts enforce parliaments decisions not vice versa.

That's the whole point of Brexit.

If what you say is true then we've basically lost control of our waters .. obviously that's not the case, quotas will decided by HMG not courts.

We have lost control of 50% of our fishing , that is for certain, except we will still be able to dictate, the atotal amount of catch and we will be able to close areas of our waters, possibly limit boat size and type within certain areas etc.
To try and claim back the 50% sold, by legislation, would mean unpicking the law going back to Magna Carta, free enjoyment of our property etc.
I am sure there are certain communists about who would be comfortable with such legislation from parliament, thankfully our courts would still have the powers to stop it.

 

[wasted years]

You are all missing the point.
Fishing is industrialised like on land farming, with a small number of people on modern vessels catching vast quantities of fish, probably using migrant labour for the crap jobs.
The days of hairy blokes wearing thick white pullovers taking out a boat that resembles a bath with a cab are gone.

Interestingly, someone told me that Gove's family were fishing folk that lost their business to the EU's quota regime, I have no idea if this is true.

 

[RobFZS]

You are all missing the point.
Fishing is industrialised like on land farming, with a small number of people on modern vessels catching vast quantities of fish, probably using migrant labour for the crap jobs.
The days of hairy blokes wearing thick white pullovers taking out a boat that resembles a bath with a cab are gone.

Interestingly, someone told me that Gove's family were fishing folk that lost their business to the EU's quota regime, I have no idea if this is true.

It's correct, but you're also correct about the first bit, most money in fishing is made from the after sales and processing

we'll never have a proper debate about the SFP, we have snides like ashy posting the thing on Farage not going to meetings, asif him going to a meeting would change a thing? or are they now suggesting we rule the roost? usual lies and deceit.

 

[Exfarmer]

You are all missing the point.
Fishing is industrialised like on land farming, with a small number of people on modern vessels catching vast quantities of fish, probably using migrant labour for the crap jobs.
The days of hairy blokes wearing thick white pullovers taking out a boat that resembles a bath with a cab are gone.

Interestingly, someone told me that Gove's family were fishing folk that lost their business to the EU's quota regime, I have no idea if this is true.

You are correct, the real problem with fishing is that 5 boats could catch the UK quota and possible requiring less than 100 crew in total
I believe Gove’s family were fish merchants from Glasgow which lost its fleet virtually so no more merchants

 

[7610 super q]

The fishing industry has been destroyed. It's not coming back. And so too has UK agriculture after 40 years of CAP.
There was a single lone trawler based in Milford Haven ( Spanish ) way back in the 80's.
Should have had the vote to get out in the early 80's.
Those that voted for change may not get to see it, but hey-ho, we tried.

 

[Exfarmer]

The real problem with the British fishing industry is that Brits only want to eat cod either out of a chippy or breaded from Tesco’s and of course most cod comes from Iceland, which the Icelanders turfed us out of many moons ago.
The fish we catch round our shores have little interest to the average Brit, so the Spaniards lap it up. And they also know how to cook it!

 

[wanton dwarf]

We have lost control of 50% of our fishing , that is for certain, except we will still be able to dictate, the atotal amount of catch and we will be able to close areas of our waters, possibly limit boat size and type within certain areas etc.
To try and claim back the 50% sold, by legislation, would mean unpicking the law going back to Magna Carta, free enjoyment of our property etc.
I am sure there are certain communists about who would be comfortable with such legislation from parliament, thankfully our courts would still have the powers to stop it.

Quotas are not property. Quotas are EU legislation.

As far as I understand it, when the UK gains full independance the Quotas become null and void.

 

[Exfarmer]

Quotas are not property. Quotas are EU legislation.

As far as I understand it, when the UK gains full independance the Quotas become null and void.

The British government has already put in place legislation affirming virtually all rules and laws which came in under the EU .
Quotas will stand and Defra has acknowledged this.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The British government has already put in place legislation affirming virtually all rules and laws which came in under the EU .
Quotas will stand and Defra has acknowledged this.

I think really we all don't know what is going to happen yet.

My guess is Mrs May is keeping her cards close to her chest hoping most people will quietly forget most of the issues post Brexit.

Personally I really don't like Mrs May, I think she is duplicious.

Point noted though that the Fishermen have not got what they wanted .. yet.

 

[Hindsight]

The real problem with the British fishing industry is that Brits only want to eat cod either out of a chippy or breaded from Tesco’s and of course most cod comes from Iceland, which the Icelanders turfed us out of many moons ago.
The fish we catch round our shores have little interest to the average Brit, so the Spaniards lap it up. And they also know how to cook it!

That is a good explanation of our house - plus the salmon which is farmed rather than caught and prawns my wife and daughter eat copiously - yes I know flown half way round the world to take off the skins. Hey ho.

 

[Exfarmer]

That is a good explanation of our house - plus the salmon which is farmed rather than caught and prawns my wife and daughter eat copiously - yes I know flown half way round the world to take off the skins. Hey ho.

Very sadly , my wife who normally does all the cooking, is the same, breaded cod or salmon, and I dont think todays salmon is hardly worth eating.
I have to wait till we go to a restaurant to eat fish and not that many cook it well unless , it is mega expensive..
Such a treat to go to Southern Europe and eat proper fish, but sad that it probably comes from our waters

 

[RobFZS]

The British government has already put in place legislation affirming virtually all rules and laws which came in under the EU .
Quotas will stand and Defra has acknowledged this.

For the transition, after that is up for negotiation , with surprising pushback from the SNP and Scottish tories

 

[Hindsight]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09wshry

I know this is BBC. But correspondent is Iain Martin - Brexiteer.

 

[renewablejohn]

Quotas are not property. Quotas are EU legislation.

As far as I understand it, when the UK gains full independance the Quotas become null and void.

Precedence has already been set by Greenland when it left the EU. Whether the same model is used of an initial 10 yr agreement then 5 year partnership or direct to a partnership will be what the real debate is about.

https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/cfp/international/agreements/greenland_en

 

[caveman]

The real problem with the British fishing industry is that Brits only want to eat cod either out of a chippy or breaded from Tesco’s and of course most cod comes from Iceland, which the Icelanders turfed us out of many moons ago.
The fish we catch round our shores have little interest to the average Brit, so the Spaniards lap it up. And they also know how to cook it!

Do these furriners pay for the fish the remove from "our water"?
If not at present, because the area is regarded as EU, then surely they will have to when we leave?
Would it be fair game for all and sundry to empty a lactose intolerant dairy farmers milk vat FOC?
Biggest problem would probably be that we have not enough of a fleet of our own that is suitable to supply demand now.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Precedence has already been set by Greenland when it left the EU. Whether the same model is used of an initial 10 yr agreement then 5 year partnership or direct to a partnership will be what the real debate is about.

https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/cfp/international/agreements/greenland_en

Still not property though, it's a negotiation.

If it was up to me they'd get nothing and if they entered our waters I'd confiscate their boats and fine them.

 

[ollie989898]

The fisheries will be monitored by somebody.

I find it hard to believe fishinh was even brought into the brexit debate. Its a non issue.

 

[phillipe]

I see the Greeks got another 5.7 billiin handout today