TB Disease Investigation Report Visit

[som farmer]

I believe, as with most other people on here, that badgers are to blame for tb, on our 200 acre farm we have 18 setts, and as in a cull zone, we have lost a lot of badgers, however, most of those setts are now reoccupied, where the hell did they come from? does this mean we are more likely to go down with tb, as these 'new' badgers are infected? up to now we have been clean.
however, what could we all do, if heaven forbid, the badgers are proved not to be the cause ? personally I think the best way forward is to test the latrines, and take out the infected ones, thereby leaving a clean population.

 

[roscoe erf]

Ask the vet what APHA and Public Health England are going to do about the likely source of the infection in your cattle, the reservoir of infection in wildlife before it infects companion animals and the human population.
When they trot out the biosecurity line ask them how you are expected to prevent an incontinent badger leaking Tb bacilli all over your grazing land.
No doubt others will be along shortly with other helpful suggestions!

I did just that and he just smiled

 

[roscoe erf]

Our experience is that they will put a map on the table and ask you to mark badger setts..... even though apparently its not badgers that done it (according to APHA)

yep and all mine are on the neighbours land

 

[roscoe erf]

I've just reported a 3rd roadkill badger of the year as per the WAG request. Does anyone else in Wales do this? There seems to be a great apathy around these parts that p1sses me off, typical divided we stand, United we fall attitude. I bet I'm the only one that reports them. I know the vets collect them and I assume test them for tb, and then produce some data? @matthew , different country I know, but any idea?

that was the one piece of useful information they had on their visit as I thought they had stopped testing roadkill needs to be fresh he said , of course your never sure if it is roadkill or your neighbours getting rid of evidence

 

[roscoe erf]

Haven’t had a visit for a few years but the Spanish vet that did the visit just about admitted it was the badgers that were the problem. As has been said they are only doing their job and following the daft rules.

mine was romanian

 

[roscoe erf]

@matthew Do you know how I go about getting a dead badger tested for bTB? I saw it early this morning at the edge of our meadows as I walked the dogs. This evening Mel walked the dogs and it lay dead a short way from our property. I have double bagged it and it is in our spare freezer. It is only the size of a Jack Russell.

We had 2 inconclusive results from our 4 year test in early April and they are being re-tested on Tuesday. We have farmed here 50+ years and never been positive but there are currently 2 "breakdowns" showing on the DEFRA/APHA interactive TB map near us, 1 around 15km north and 1 around the same south.

there is an outbreak supposedly in Bedfordshire not that far from you

 

[roscoe erf]

Well that's a bugger! One of our 2 IR's went IR again today so we are now under restricion.

feel for you

 

[multi power]

I believe, as with most other people on here, that badgers are to blame for tb, on our 200 acre farm we have 18 setts, and as in a cull zone, we have lost a lot of badgers, however, most of those setts are now reoccupied, where the hell did they come from? does this mean we are more likely to go down with tb, as these 'new' badgers are infected? up to now we have been clean.
however, what could we all do, if heaven forbid, the badgers are proved not to be the cause ? personally I think the best way forward is to test the latrines, and take out the infected ones, thereby leaving a clean population.

Your clean badgers will have been killed, and then replaced by probably weaker badgers being pushed out of other groups

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

feel for you

If there is such a thing as a low impact victim it would be us. The only stock leaving here are stores in April or May (sold late March this year) or culls straight to slaughter. That means we are much less affected in the short term than a more active holding would be.

Given our small size and low turnover I'm a bit concerned at what the cleanse and disinfect might cost us but we'll see what transpires from her post mortem before I worry too much about that.

 

[roscoe erf]

If there is such a thing as a low impact victim it would be us. The only stock leaving here are stores in April or May (sold late March this year) or culls straight to slaughter. That means we are much less affected in the short term than a more active holding would be.

Given our small size and low turnover I'm a bit concerned at what the cleanse and disinfect might cost us but we'll see what transpires from her post mortem before I worry too much about that.

we had 1 pm'd no visible lesions two culture growth trials nothing went clear next test i'll leave you too draw your own conclusions

 

[topground]

Given our small size and low turnover I'm a bit concerned at what the cleanse and disinfect might cost us but we'll see what transpires from her post mortem before I worry too much about that.

Always isolate at grass even if they have been inside. Just shut the paddock up for 60 days, saves a lot of energy!

 

[davidroberts30]

we had 1 pm'd no visible lesions two culture growth trials nothing went clear next test i'll leave you too draw your own conclusions

Its bulls**t and they know it
I got a contiguous in a couple of weeks,
F**k me the beasts will all be dead before Christmas

 

[multi power]

If there is such a thing as a low impact victim it would be us. The only stock leaving here are stores in April or May (sold late March this year) or culls straight to slaughter. That means we are much less affected in the short term than a more active holding would be.

Given our small size and low turnover I'm a bit concerned at what the cleanse and disinfect might cost us but we'll see what transpires from her post mortem before I worry too much about that.

Yours isn't even a proper reactor, I'd imagine you will have a clear test next time
I don't think you will have to clean or disenfect anything, isolation pen maybe

 

[michael N123]

It’s all stupid

Class the overpopulated badgers same as foxes and let vets and farmers sort everything themselves with there own money and guns

 

[matthew]

Yours isn't even a proper reactor, I'd imagine you will have a clear test next time
I don't think you will have to clean or disenfect anything, isolation pen maybe

Even with an NVL, no culture reactor, restrictions will not be lifted until a C & D form (TB5?) has been filed.
You sprayed FAM 30 at the recommended dilution rate around the isolation pen didn’t you? Of course you did.

It’s all paperwork.

 

[ollie989898]

I was told recently that during the cull, all the badgers they shot had to be bagged and taken to some central container somewhere to be collected. For what possible reason would they want to do this? To see a pile of stinking dead badgers in a container as proof folk were shooting them? For laboratory testing? Because someone at the ministry has shares in an incinerator that handles biohazard waste?

Makes you smile to hear that they need a level 4 biosecurity lab to do the lab work on anything TB but the blokes shooting them can bag them outside AOK?

 

[matthew]

I was told recently that during the cull, all the badgers they shot had to be bagged and taken to some central container somewhere to be collected. For what possible reason would they want to do this? To see a pile of stinking dead badgers in a container as proof folk were shooting them? For laboratory testing? Because someone at the ministry has shares in an incinerator that handles biohazard waste?

Makes you smile to hear that they need a level 4 biosecurity lab to do the lab work on anything TB but the blokes shooting them can bag them outside AOK?

Bagged, tagged and taken to a secure central bin.
Collected daily by knackerman and incinerated.

Contractors advised to wear disposable gloves and a mask.

 

[roscoe erf]

Bagged, tagged and taken to a secure central bin.
Collected daily by knackerman and incinerated.

Contractors advised to wear disposable gloves and a mask.

why there's no risk from the cute lovable little rascals its not them its those horrible cows

 

[kill]

Well that's a bugger! One of our 2 IR's went IR again today so we are now under restricion.

Did they take her ?

 

[ollie989898]

Wife mentioned that there was a mention of TB appearing in cats and dogs recently in the vet world-cattle in the pet food chain? Public support for ye olde humbug would collapse pretty quick if that got out.