I'm ****** ******* fed up with 'experts', journalists etc etc coming out with generalised comments blaming the spread of TB wholly on poor farming practices. Ok, there are always bad apples in every industry, but why should herds that have been clear for years and years and then have an outbreak be automatically blamed for bad farming. Why is it unacceptable to maintain a healthy population of wildlife by controlled culling as 'it will be unacceptable to the general public' as stated in the news tonight, when as an industry we cull thousands and thousands of stock every year, with our arms tied behind our backs, in a one sided effort to eliminate TB. I'm not putting this well and I am sure there are others on here who are much more eloquent than me in expressing their feelings but I'm too ****** angry! Admin .. feel free to eliminate me!
TB rant time!
- Thread starter glow worm
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sorry. Had this red mist and never checked
beacause its a big problem thats why.
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
And it will continue to be so, while Gov.uk, wearing whatever coat it chooses today (new TB quango?) holds the reins. That is responsibility but no accountability for their god awful results.
Farmers cannot ‘own’ the problem, while shackled by this situation.
michael N123
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As I’ve already mentioned badgers are overpopulated and diseased there’s no reason for them not to be on the general licence same as foxes
They were only protected because badger baiting was cruel not because they were endangered
Nowadays we can humanely kill them with a 22-250 and a night sight why the feck can’t no one point that out it’s just stupid.
They were only protected because badger baiting was cruel not because they were endangered
Nowadays we can humanely kill them with a 22-250 and a night sight why the feck can’t no one point that out it’s just stupid.
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Germans do it so perhaps we should have a last flurry at eu sporting regulation homologation before we bail?
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I know badgers are a problem and I completely agree with you about culling them but it's not all their fault. Tb has come into our area because of a few farmers who bought store cattle from TB areas knowing damn well that it was a risky thing to do. Didn't make any difference to them because they only have bought in store cattle and finish all of them. If they go down with TB they still get paid for the ones that are culled and can still sell cattle deadweight. All the neighbours that sell store cattle from their suckler cows are screwed when they go down. Not really fair is it. We are in an intermediate risk area now (historically no TB in the area until a few years ago) mostly thanks to one large farm who buy cattle from bloody everywhere and have been clear of TB for a few months in the last almost 2 years. So everyones store cattle in our area are now worth less because no one in low risk areas will buy them. We had a letter a few weeks ago saying we will be testing now every 6 months instead of every 12. Great more testing, more stress, more costs for us but they still haven't fixed rhe problem. TB will still be there and it will always be here while the select few selfish people keep buying cattle in from TB areas.
How to stop it? I don't know a better test would be a start. What would really stop it very quickly is to stop paying compensation on all tb reactor cattle. These farms buying stores from tb areas would think twice if they thought they might lose the whole value of what they just bought. Or we could just round up a gang of us suckler farmers and lynch the farmers who keep buying TB in. The general feeling in the area over it all I bet it wouldn't be hard to find plenty of willing volunteers for that. I bet some will want my head on a post for suggesting we stop compensating farmers who lose cattle to TB as well now.
There you go @glow worm you aren't the only one who rants about TB
but I'd better go hide now I can already hear the angry mob of cattle finishers with their pitchforks getting nearer.
How to stop it? I don't know a better test would be a start. What would really stop it very quickly is to stop paying compensation on all tb reactor cattle. These farms buying stores from tb areas would think twice if they thought they might lose the whole value of what they just bought. Or we could just round up a gang of us suckler farmers and lynch the farmers who keep buying TB in. The general feeling in the area over it all I bet it wouldn't be hard to find plenty of willing volunteers for that. I bet some will want my head on a post for suggesting we stop compensating farmers who lose cattle to TB as well now.
There you go @glow worm you aren't the only one who rants about TB
but I'd better go hide now I can already hear the angry mob of cattle finishers with their pitchforks getting nearer.Pigken
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Not diffending any one here, and can not even stand to understand the heart ache and many other personal problems and business problems TB can cause, but hope fully light at the end of the tunnel, expert on radio 4 farming today yesterday saying about new technologies to help test and monitor, fingers crossed for many of you, but hopefully people will have long memories with the people's that buy from infected areas, greed is an awful thing.
I am sure I will be corrected by all and sundry but I think what most of us rant about is the injustice and sheer stupidiness of trying to cure a terrible problem by tackling one side only. Its like only cleaning one side of a window. The heartache, expense, stress etc etc of 'going down', especially with a closed herd of many generations pedigree, is well know in this area and as for all the upheaval of regular TB testing .. welcome to our world. Down here, we cannot understand the logic of 4 year testing. TB travels, whether its on 4 legs or two. What a time bomb. My turn to take cover!
I think those of us in hotspots are all too old and cynical to believe that we will live long enough to see any change in attitude or ability to eradicate TB and most of the experts 'solution' is to fully fence all boundaries / entries to your farm, burying the fence 6ft? deep to keep out certain wildlife...oh, and I suppose high enough as well to keep out deer... Oh, hang on, does that mean they are acknowledging that wildlife carries TB?!
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- West Somerset
Not buying in cattle from high risk areas will only slow the movement of TB to low risks areas, I can just remember when we didn't have tb in the area, but year upon year you could see it getting closer and closer, spread by the wildlife, no coincidence since the badger act came in that Tb has gotten a grip!I know badgers are a problem and I completely agree with you about culling them but it's not all their fault. Tb has come into our area because of a few farmers who bought store cattle from TB areas knowing damn well that it was a risky thing to do. Didn't make any difference to them because they only have bought in store cattle and finish all of them. If they go down with TB they still get paid for the ones that are culled and can still sell cattle deadweight. All the neighbours that sell store cattle from their suckler cows are screwed when they go down. Not really fair is it. We are in an intermediate risk area now (historically no TB in the area until a few years ago) mostly thanks to one large farm who buy cattle from bloody everywhere and have been clear of TB for a few months in the last almost 2 years. So everyones store cattle in our area are now worth less because no one in low risk areas will buy them. We had a letter a few weeks ago saying we will be testing now every 6 months instead of every 12. Great more testing, more stress, more costs for us but they still haven't fixed rhe problem. TB will still be there and it will always be here while the select few selfish people keep buying cattle in from TB areas.
How to stop it? I don't know a better test would be a start. What would really stop it very quickly is to stop paying compensation on all tb reactor cattle. These farms buying stores from tb areas would think twice if they thought they might lose the whole value of what they just bought. Or we could just round up a gang of us suckler farmers and lynch the farmers who keep buying TB in. The general feeling in the area over it all I bet it wouldn't be hard to find plenty of willing volunteers for that. I bet some will want my head on a post for suggesting we stop compensating farmers who lose cattle to TB as well now.
There you go @glow worm you aren't the only one who rants about TB
No point blaming farmers for trying to make a living, TB is a problem for all of us as a country! TB needs sorting for all concerned farmers cattle and the wildlife, nothing I like to see more than a healthy wildlife.
.jpd
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i feel sorry for you fellas in the uk
you are only starting on the tb gravy train/scam/pyramid scheme
tb here has made multi millionaires of vets involved
given officious department of agriculture people the validity to throw their weight around
while perpetuating the greatest scam that has been running in the rep of ireland
you are just starting on the rip off rollercoaster
the farmer the splatted bug on the windshield
you are only starting on the tb gravy train/scam/pyramid scheme
tb here has made multi millionaires of vets involved
given officious department of agriculture people the validity to throw their weight around
while perpetuating the greatest scam that has been running in the rep of ireland
you are just starting on the rip off rollercoaster
the farmer the splatted bug on the windshield
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Spot on @hendrebc there's been quite a fall out between neighbours in this area, again never been any Tb until recently when 1 or 2 farmers have bought in cattle , they've gone down with Tb & want a cull & can't understand why the rest of us don't want it. Culling is a tool that is definitely needed in the battle against Tb but it needs to be more targeted.I know badgers are a problem and I completely agree with you about culling them but it's not all their fault. Tb has come into our area because of a few farmers who bought store cattle from TB areas knowing damn well that it was a risky thing to do. Didn't make any difference to them because they only have bought in store cattle and finish all of them. If they go down with TB they still get paid for the ones that are culled and can still sell cattle deadweight. All the neighbours that sell store cattle from their suckler cows are screwed when they go down. Not really fair is it. We are in an intermediate risk area now (historically no TB in the area until a few years ago) mostly thanks to one large farm who buy cattle from bloody everywhere and have been clear of TB for a few months in the last almost 2 years. So everyones store cattle in our area are now worth less because no one in low risk areas will buy them. We had a letter a few weeks ago saying we will be testing now every 6 months instead of every 12. Great more testing, more stress, more costs for us but they still haven't fixed rhe problem. TB will still be there and it will always be here while the select few selfish people keep buying cattle in from TB areas.
How to stop it? I don't know a better test would be a start. What would really stop it very quickly is to stop paying compensation on all tb reactor cattle. These farms buying stores from tb areas would think twice if they thought they might lose the whole value of what they just bought. Or we could just round up a gang of us suckler farmers and lynch the farmers who keep buying TB in. The general feeling in the area over it all I bet it wouldn't be hard to find plenty of willing volunteers for that. I bet some will want my head on a post for suggesting we stop compensating farmers who lose cattle to TB as well now.
There you go @glow worm you aren't the only one who rants about TB
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
Germany culls up to 70,000 badgers annually to prevent damage to crops, property and infrastructure.
66,579 in 2013.
http://www.bovinetb.info/docs/annual-number-of-badgers-shot-in-germany-from-2002-to-2013.pdf
matthew
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Well said. It's a gravy train with those aboard bearing no responsibilty for their utterings, accusations or actions.
We use the comparative skin test which will bring up an 'avian' TB lump. Different bacterium.
I encouraged Owen Paterson to hold hands with Liz Wellington at Warwick, who had developed a PCR test to check badger latrines for the bacterium and target those only. She trousered almost £1m and then announced she didn't want 'her' test used to cull badgers. I bet she berluddy well didn't.
Her research department would have to find another target.
matthew
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The strain or spoligotype of the affected and slaughtered cattle, wiould help to pinpoint the source. It may be that the scourge in the badger populations is moving northwards at 10 - 20 miles year. As it has in England.
It's all too easy to always blame the badgers. They are at fault in a lot of areas but not here (yet) culling them here could make it worse because infected badgers could move in. I don't think there would be any infected badgers close enough to move in here though. The nearest real hotspot I know of is in Shropshire or Cheshire a good 40odd miles away. It would take a long time to spread here through the wildlife.
We have had odd outbreaks in our area before over the last 10 years. All from farmers who buy in a bull or store cattle. All but the odd one feel awful over it and are apologetic to their neighbours let them know how they are getting on, keep their cattle away from neighbouring cattle wherever possible and most importantly are much more careful buying in in future. The few that are still a problem don't tell anyone anything, put cattle wherever they want and even worse keep buying in. From the same farms that they bought the tb cattle from even. When called up on it they usually blame the badgers or vets or the farms they bought from or anything but themselves.
It's not just badgers (but they do need culling in hotspot areas), it's (some) farmers attitudes, the test, and the system that needs sorting. Our whole country will be infected very soon if it doesn't get sorted. f**king about while Rome burns comes to mind
matthew
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Am I the only one deeply angry that NO ONE has given a balanced view of this report and its associated wild accusations, for us - livestock farmers? Weeping over dead cattle is a useful backdrop, but does not answer the farmer bashing in the core report.
Defra used a spurious overview of a politically motivated 'trial' which began in 1997, and printed no results at all from the present farmer led culls. Those 10 / 20 year old pronouncements were the headlines which they fed to a hungry and tame media, fanning the already glowering flames of farmer bashing in the country.
Defra used a spurious overview of a politically motivated 'trial' which began in 1997, and printed no results at all from the present farmer led culls. Those 10 / 20 year old pronouncements were the headlines which they fed to a hungry and tame media, fanning the already glowering flames of farmer bashing in the country.