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- Somerset
If you think a buyer would keep them on, send straight to the abattoir. Otherwise, red market.
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lazy farmer
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- som/dor border
No there clear it’s just the fear of an abattoir reactor
they have to go sometime ?
We went clear in feb. Been running scared of abattoir reactor since. Finished selling calves, so unloaded all beef and culls, and they all went through fine. Its sad that we live so scared of going down after a clear test.
Like us; when not if.
Get rid quick. Before any tb possibly in them gets worse and more chance of being spotted in abbotoir.
Statistics.... 24% (I think I recall) of all IRs subsequently go on to react
lazy farmer
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- som/dor border
If they go live it will be Tuesday
organicguy
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- North East of the south west
We now keep a record of all bovine lumps and will cross check with reactors in the future.
Dick sibley believes Tb in cattle is similar to humans, supposedly 2 billion carrying the bacteria but only a small percentage get the disease and not all those shed. Scary if it is true.
Still plenty of research out there for the boffins to do.
Dick sibley believes Tb in cattle is similar to humans, supposedly 2 billion carrying the bacteria but only a small percentage get the disease and not all those shed. Scary if it is true.
Still plenty of research out there for the boffins to do.
gone up the hill
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- Devon
What he is saying is utter rubbish, just a way of securing more funding rather than dealing with the real source of the problem and that is the wildlife infection!
If what he says is correct then why was TB all but removed from the UK cattle herd in the 60's/ early 70's when they were allowed to deal with the wildlife problem and was contained until badger numbers were allowed to get out of control again in the 90s onwards??
Water Wheel
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Not saying bTB in cattle behaves the same but........http://www.who.int/tb/features_archive/LTBI/en/
." It is estimated that about one-third of the world's population has latent TB, which means people have been infected by TB bacteria but do not show symptoms of TB and cannot transmit the disease. People infected with TB bacteria have a lifetime risk of 5-10% falling ill with TB."
Homesy
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- North West Devon
In the news this morning. Skin test is only picking up 50-60% of positives. Been twisted to say badger cull is not effective.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46150548
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46150548
From the article....
'Dr Chris Cheeseman is former head of Defra's wildlife epidemiology unit and advised the department on its TB strategy for more than 40 years'. (Cheeseman is now retired)
I'm not sure i would advertise that when saying current policy isn't working - his tenure was hardly bathed in glory was it.
What was his advice during those 40 years -cos TB spiralled exactly then?
A quite unrelated question...
If an 'expert' gives you advice which proves wrong and costly, can you recoup some of your losses from them?
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
No they do not - as said, they clip them out.
And the other challenge that should be made to this nonsernse, is who owns the animal when it is presented the abattoir as a 'reactor'.?
We think it is when leaves the farm, on Defra arranged transport, clutching its passport. Thus responsibility passes to Defra at that point.
(Animals which die in transport as reactors, are certainly paid out for - and the reasons for those deaths kept very schtum.)
We discussd this here: https://bovinetb.blogspot.com/2018/09/a-quick-follow-up-to-posting-below.html
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
Oh I do so wish.
In my experience, the BBC have been pro badger TB all the way through our problems. Especially on the skewed results of Woodchester's so called badger vaccination trial, which they bounced around the world. One of our supporting veterinary pathologists was heard to explode about that little nugget: "Bloody outrageous, Matt. Bloody outrageous."
I find it quite amazing that the intradermal skin test, used as a herd test, and especially on severe interpretation, is the primary test used Universally to screen cattle for TB and yet continuously doubts are thrown at its use in the UK ? It surely cannot be that the environment our cattle are forced to share with one of the biggest excreters of m.bovis on the planet has any effect, can it?
Think gravy train. And hang on to this quote from our PQs, where we asked the reason why certain areas of the UK, which had undergone a thorough cull of badgers, had achieved such success.
The answer was unequivocal and needs to be inscribed over the door of every building occupied by this most political of government departments, and especially the office of the Secretary of State:
" The fundamental difference between the Thornbury area and other areas [] where bovine tuberculosis was a problem, was the systematic removal of badgers from the Thornbury area. No other species was similarly removed. No other contemporaneous change was identified that could have accounted for the reduction in TB incidence within the area" [157949 - Hansard]
Other areas too had spectacular success, including East Offaly, Steeple Lees and Hartland, but also the four area trial in Ireland with a reduction in cattle TB of around 96 per cent.
And two decades or more ago, these areas had no bolt on cattle measures at all. Particularly of the sort Brian May, Cheesman and now Sibley and their well heeled cohorts propose and Defra are sneaking in, piece by piece..
I would just add that what Defra have done in the UK (thrown cattle farmers under the bus?) is to not use available epidemiological tools to identify infected groups of badgers for culling, but rather gone in for a short period only, to an infected population and tried to snuff out 70 per cent of them, labelling it a population reduction.
Inevitably the ones left may - or may not - be infected. So this method will bring cattle incidence of TB down, but more slowly than the previous MAFF approaches, be that Clean Ring or Thornbury's complete clearance over a period of months.
quite laughable really, if it wasn't so serious that isOh I do so wish.
In my experience, the BBC have been pro badger TB all the way through our problems. Especially on the skewed results of Woodchester's so called badger vaccination trial, which they bounced around the world. One of our supporting veterinary pathologists was heard to explode about that little nugget: "Bloody outrageous, Matt. Bloody outrageous."
I find it quite amazing that the intradermal skin test, used as a herd test, and especially on severe interpretation, is the primary test used Universally to screen cattle for TB and yet continuously doubts are thrown at its use in the UK ? It surely cannot be that the environment our cattle are forced to share with one of the biggest excreters of m.bovis on the planet has any effect, can it?
Think gravy train. And hang on to this quote from our PQs, where we asked the reason why certain areas of the UK, which had undergone a thorough cull of badgers, had achieved such success.
The answer was unequivocal and needs to be inscribed over the door of every building occupied by this most political of government departments, and especially the office of the Secretary of State:
" The fundamental difference between the Thornbury area and other areas [] where bovine tuberculosis was a problem, was the systematic removal of badgers from the Thornbury area. No other species was similarly removed. No other contemporaneous change was identified that could have accounted for the reduction in TB incidence within the area" [157949 - Hansard]
Other areas too had spectacular success, including East Offaly, Steeple Lees and Hartland, but also the four area trial in Ireland with a reduction in cattle TB of around 96 per cent.
And two decades or more ago, these areas had no bolt on cattle measures at all. Particularly of the sort Brian May, Cheesman and now Sibley and their well heeled cohorts propose and Defra are sneaking in, piece by piece..
I would just add that what Defra have done in the UK (thrown cattle farmers under the bus?) is to not use available epidemiological tools to identify infected groups of badgers for culling, but rather gone in for a short period only, to an infected population and tried to snuff out 70 per cent of them, labelling it a population reduction.
Inevitably the ones left may - or may not - be infected. So this method will bring cattle incidence of TB down, but more slowly than the previous MAFF approaches, be that Clean Ring or Thornbury's complete clearance over a period of months.
Cowski
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- South West
If I ever get stung for that I’ll be having everything on withdrawal and shot on farm. I can see there being more and more hoops to jump through for compensation which I think is wrong- this is a national disease epidemic with public health implications caused by government policy and as such the costs should be met by the tax payer. It’s bad enough farmers having to go through the expense, stress and animal welfare implications of testing let alone any more pressure on the often inadequate compensation for animals culled.
Scholsey
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- Herefordshire
I stupidly agreed to have a training TB tester have his final supervised test where a qualified examiner vet supervised testing 30 animals through a crush, turned out he was a ex ministry from Bath area and the poor lad testing was having questions asked him whilst he was testing which was slowing the whole job down until i politely him to STFU and let the lad finish testing and ask the questions afterwards!
One of the questions was “if a farmer wanted to worm the animals during the jabbing what would you say?” It seemed the withdrawal causing issue for any reactors was more of a problem than the chance the wormer could possibly interfere with the reaction from the test.
Comments made by the ‘highly experienced TB vet’ included “your lucky, your getting 3 vets for the price of none” and “it’s better now the welsh are on grid valuations to stop the ridiculous valuations they were getting, it’s much fairer”. What a Knob of a bloke. I am sure anyone in the Wiltshire/Somerset area could probably guess his name. Answers on PM.
What grid valuation? News to me. There is a cap on the valuation of 5k,not that I 've ever gone past 2k.Try not to get valuer from GTH!