Teacher sacked for kicking a horse

Barleycorn

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BASE UK Member
Location
Hampshire
@Benj I can and do support the views of those who welcome foxes to their land. It's their land they may do as they please. I've watched foxes for countless hours. Watched them through a scope and not shot them. They are vermin in the eyes of the law. But you are colouring me bad by describing the actions of anyone who controls foxes be that for economic or conservation purposes as 'persecution' as though I was Hitler or a genocidal dictator. I know what effect controlling foxes on my land has done, it has left voles and mice for barn owls to breed where they have not been for generations, it allows lapwings to breed unmolested, it allows broods of wild pheasants to fledge and many more benefits. I accept some places can do this without fox control but my piece of paradise is a new island among intense farming and draws pests and predators along with the colonising species. Perhaps in time it will support unregulated amounts of foxes and sustain its ecologically valuable species as well but it doesn't yet.
A shame we can't use the same with the stripey things!
 

Paddington

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Location
Soggy Shropshire
Many years ago I was walking with hounds down a lane passed a large house with a long gravel drive. A small woolly dog came barking out of the gateway, saw the hounds and fled back to the house. I informed the huntsman there was a loose dog. A bedroom window opened and an elderly lady stuck her head out and shouted a load of abuse at me as I was stopping the gateway from the hounds. I gave her a wave, we moved past and I forgot all about it until that night when the senior master rang me up and gave me a bo*****ing. I had sworn at her dog before setting the hounds on him and been very rude to her, what the hell had I been doing ?? She was ringing around neighbours, trying to get the hunt stopped etc. Her Nanki Poo had to have sedatives from the vet. I was bringing the hunt into disrepute...
I said I had warned the huntsman (Cur!), the dog had not come anywhere near the hounds, as far as being very rude, I had turned my backon her and walked off when she was in the middle of calling me a lot of names. I was acquitted. Two versions of the same incident.
 

Benj

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Horticulture
@Longlowdog. Thanks for this, I don't mean to come across that way and I apologise if you think i'm comparing your actions with those that we can all agree are vile.
I'm sorry if i've offended anyone on here, I know that in the eyes of some I don't really belong in South Wales, and maybe you're right - but where then do I belong? I too was forced out of my place of birth, that I love passionately, because I wanted a patch of land and I couldn't afford it there. Like I said, I'm from farming stock and all I want is to be able to enjoy what i've created in peace and quiet. Things have changed whether people like Roscoe erf believe it or not and people like me aren't going to go away. Anyway, i've said what I need to say so I'll leave you be. I don't want any trouble but I feel better now that i've put my point of view across.
 

Longlowdog

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
@Benj don't leave the conversation, your views are every bit as worthy as mine, maybe more so. If you have an open mind then you are probably more valuable to a rural community than folk like me who change in glacial time scales. Don't go. I enjoy speaking with you on this platform. You, unlike @betweenthelines have been nothing but polite and articulate. It is refreshing and also challenges the things I take for granted. Stay.
 

Lofty1984

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Mixed Farmer
Location
South wales
Shouldn’t be the landowners job to fence the hounds off their ground, if the landowner says no hounds it should be mean no hounds and if hounds go on then it should be followed by a sincere apology to the landowner.
Yes your right off course but in this case if we are talking about 2/3 ac patch then it’s just easier in the long run to fence it, they won’t respect being told so what’s the alternative ? Shoot the dogs ?
 

Scholsey

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Location
Herefordshire
Yes your right off course but in this case if we are talking about 2/3 ac patch then it’s just easier in the long run to fence it, they won’t respect being told so what’s the alternative ? Shoot the dogs ?

Don’t want to sound patronising but yes, guess it’s slightly different with it being 2-3 acres but I still wouldn’t want a gun pack pushing out my wood with guns stood on my ground if I didn’t want them in there.

Have 200 acres here and don’t let hunt on purely because it’s all mowing grass, lies wet and not a fan of hunting or their attitude, their attitude to ‘our country’ when they refer to their area (my farm) like it’s back in the 1800s when the huge landowners had their own pack of hounds, it’s not your country you jumped up semi retired accountant/auctioneer/farming ‘gentry’ knobhead!

We have foxes and i control them with a rifle if needed, had half a pack of hounds across here other day, atleast a mile, probably two ahead of any hunt staff, saw huntsman on foot opposite end of the farm without a clue where they had gone, knew they shouldn’t be on here and not even a sniff of the word sorry when I went to show him which direction they went.
 

Scholsey

Member
Location
Herefordshire
I've seen a farrier hit a horse with the handle of his hammer.

Does this make him cruel? Does this mean every farrier has a "cruel streak"?

Work with enough animals and you will look cruel occasionally especially if a short video was taken without context but some people are complete horrible barstewards, this bloke being one of them.

 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
Work with enough animals and you will look cruel occasionally especially if a short video was taken without context but some people are complete horrible barstewards, this bloke being one of them.

That's a terrierman, not a kennel man. But regardless of role, he wants that fork wrapped round his head. Absolutely no need or excuse for that behaviour.
 

Foxcover

Member
I've seen a farrier hit a horse with the handle of his hammer.

Does this make him cruel? Does this mean every farrier has a "cruel streak"?

I don’t doubt that you’ve seen that but there’s a bit of a difference between a kennel man who goes into that career knowing full well the bloodthirst and cruelty it entails and a farrier.
I went into the trade because I’d always been fascinated by it and enjoyed working with horses and improving their welfare.
In the 16 years I’ve done it yes there have been times when I’ve nearly lost my rag but you have to remind yourself why you do the job and also assume someone is watching you, and now I’m well established I keep away from any spoilt horses.
The fact this woman knew she was being watched shows not only how stupid she is but also more about her personality. God knows what she does to it behind closed doors to make it dislike her so much in the first place.
There probably are some farriers who have a cruel streak but I’d say practically all kennelmen/terrier men have a cruel streak, they won’t last very long without it because of what the job entails.
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
I don’t doubt that you’ve seen that but there’s a bit of a difference between a kennel man who goes into that career knowing full well the bloodthirst and cruelty it entails and a farrier.
I went into the trade because I’d always been fascinated by it and enjoyed working with horses and improving their welfare.
In the 16 years I’ve done it yes there have been times when I’ve nearly lost my rag but you have to remind yourself why you do the job and also assume someone is watching you, and now I’m well established I keep away from any spoilt horses.
The fact this woman knew she was being watched shows not only how stupid she is but also more about her personality. God knows what she does to it behind closed doors to make it dislike her so much in the first place.
There probably are some farriers who have a cruel streak but I’d say practically all kennelmen/terrier men have a cruel streak, they won’t last very long without it because of what the job entails.
There's no more bloodthirst or cruelty in being a kennel man than there is being an abattoir worker or a stalker.

The majority of a kennel man's job is hound welfare. If it's a flesh fed pack then maybe he'll do some knackering. Maybe he'll shoot some hounds, but many huntsmen prefer to do that themselves. I shoot all my dogs myself, I wouldn't allow someone else to see out my old friends.

As I said above, the moron with the garden fork needs it wrapped round his head. I won't fall into the true Scotsman fallacy, death is part of terrierwork. But it shouldn't involve deliberate torture.

I've had the pleasure of working terriers across the UK and Europe. I've not witnessed anything I'd call cruel.
 

Foxcover

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There's no more bloodthirst or cruelty in being a kennel man than there is being an abattoir worker or a stalker.

The majority of a kennel man's job is hound welfare. If it's a flesh fed pack then maybe he'll do some knackering. Maybe he'll shoot some hounds, but many huntsmen prefer to do that themselves. I shoot all my dogs myself, I wouldn't allow someone else to see out my old friends.

As I said above, the moron with the garden fork needs it wrapped round his head. I won't fall into the true Scotsman fallacy, death is part of terrierwork. But it shouldn't involve deliberate torture.

I've had the pleasure of working terriers across the UK and Europe. I've not witnessed anything I'd call cruel.

You’re still not selling it to me!
Born and bred country, around horses all my life, 16 years as a farrier, mother used to hunt and I still can’t justify chasing anything to exhaustion, surrounding it with 40 dogs and ripping it apart when rifle will do the job with less fuss and without making it a game.
My father was a butcher and one of the earliest things he taught me was that if you need to kill something either to eat it, end it’s suffering or because it’s vermin you do it in the quickest most humane way possible. Not dress up and make a game from it.
Even if it goes to ground the game doesn’t end! Dig it up and shoot it! Pathetic.
 

quattro

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Location
scotland
I don’t like allot of things that other people do but that doesn’t mean I have to right to shout and moan about it. if you don’t want the dogs on your ground fence it so they can’t get in as for what goes on outside your fence ultimately it’s got f all to do with you and shouting about it will make it worse.
I’ve a friend who try’s to keep hunt of his land and they will cut fences to get through
he’s a video of it
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
I’ve a friend who try’s to keep hunt of his land and they will cut fences to get through
he’s a video of it


Hmm, back in my veg growing days I obviously didn’t want the hunt on my ground, we had that agreement, when they did pass over it (out of control), they settled the compensation claim, which maybe concentrated their minds a bit.
Now in France, they hunt foxes here, they seem to manage without horses 🤷‍♂️
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
Hmm, back in my veg growing days I obviously didn’t want the hunt on my ground, we had that agreement, when they did pass over it (out of control), they settled the compensation claim, which maybe concentrated their minds a bit.
Now in France, they hunt foxes here, they seem to manage without horses 🤷‍♂️
The French also allow badger digging with terriers, although it is illegal to use a gun. A knife must be used to despatch the badger, if it is to be killed. I'm told that concentrates the mind as well!
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
The French also allow badger digging with terriers, although it is illegal to use a gun. A knife must be used to despatch the badger, if it is to be killed. I'm told that concentrates the mind as well!

I’ve not seen a badger here, mind the French “chassé” like to kill anything that moves🙄. Or not moves as the case is occasionally- down in Provence there is a “chassé” where they put a glue on trees so a certain type of bird gets stuck to the tree, which they then shoot😕
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
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Fife
I’ve not seen a badger here, mind the French “chassé” like to kill anything that moves🙄. Or not moves as the case is occasionally- down in Provence there is a “chassé” where they put a glue on trees so a certain type of bird gets stuck to the tree, which they then shoot😕

French hunters have a mainly Germanic hunting culture. It's very well organised and careful records are kept of numbers available, numbers killed and numbers left.

It was French badger hunters who first became aware of TB in their badger populations. They informed the authorities, relevant action was taken and France remains free of TB in cattle and badgers.


There are also villages in the south of France where cock fighting remains legal.
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