Teachers brainwashing kids on animal rights.(Pigs)

Campani

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Yes but at the age of 11 that is in appropriate to be handing out to children let alone for them to be able to work out that it's not what it all seems. Correct me if I'm wrong here but they would have started in secondary school in September were now march. 5 months to mature from almost being spoon fed into trying to understand that. I don't think so
kids in year 7 will be on the internet, and therefore reading all sort of different peoples opinions. You are never to young to be taught not to believe everything you read. In fact I would say the younger the better.



Edit: Not that I am defending a teacher handing out this kind of propoganda.
 

slackjawedyokel

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Child is question is 11!

Ah ok. This does seem to me to be inappropriate content for that age of child and I don't see any real reason why it should be being used.
I suppose in this internet age it's very important to be able to critically evaluate sources and not just believe everything you read; much more so than 30 years ago when I was that age. That said, even if critical evaluation was the point of the exercise, the subject matter is inappropriate.
 

deere66

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Location
York
When our 2 were in secondary they had a visit planned to a mosque with the RE department no other visits planed to any other denominations, they both went to market that day with me
Friends daughter (primary school) came home with a letter saying they were going to visit a Mosque. Mate rang teacher and asked when the return trip to our village church was happening. "There is no return trip" was the reply, "Well daughter's not visiting the f**king Mosque then"
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
Pretty much the whole first page, I'm surprised you need to ask.
So, point by point, what is the truth with intensive pig production? I'm interested as my boys may come across this and ask me. As I said, I have no idea. Take the first page and tell me what is not true and what the actual truth is.
 

slackjawedyokel

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
But a pig farmer may only be able to give an opinion based on their experience and will probably not be able to quote the rules (in the same way I farm cattle and sheep; I've no idea what the minimum standard rules are, just that we're ok). You do need to go back to minimum rules below which you'd be prosecuted for for answers.
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
This.

At the mention of the words "formal complaint to OFSTED" you will have the head teacher and chair of governors welcoming you in for a chat and a cup of tea.

Do not go to the class teacher. Go straight to the head-teacher, even if you are passed down to the head of year / subject. Repeat - do not go to the class teacher.
^ this

These days Heads and Governors are much more under the cosh and can actually sanction teachers. I think the teacher may be getting their own meeting invitation without coffee ...........
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
So if nobody can actually refute the actual statements, why all the hysteria? My eldest is in year 11 so if he comes home with this, rather than looking like some sort of reactionary idiot who just writes it off as vegan propaganda, I would like to offer him the truth. I'm asking what that is and where this leaflet is wrong. Given the strength of feeling on this thread, I'm sure somebody will tell me which specific points are not correct.

Keep in mind that vegan activists may be reading this so please let's have a constructive destruction of this document, not just 'locker room talk' as the Donald would say. I want to know where it is factually wrong.
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
Links are fine but it needs somebody to go and read them. So why doesn't someone from the pig business write an alternative version of this with the truth as they see it? Many are saying this document is full of BS So it should be easy.

Let's start with one sentence from that article that is a factual lie. I don't do pigs so have no idea. But you are all saying it is all BS and disgusting etc.. Let's start with the first untruth. Apparently the first page is full of them.
 
Links are fine but it needs somebody to go and read them. So why doesn't someone from the pig business write an alternative version of this with the truth as they see it? Many are saying this document is full of BS So it should be easy.

Let's start with one sentence from that article that is a factual lie. I don't do pigs so have no idea. But you are all saying it is all BS and disgusting etc.. Let's start with the first untruth. Apparently the first page is full of them.

It's the use of adjectives such as "filthy", "disgusting" and "barren" to emphasise the bad points of the system.
I am an outdoor pig breeder but would never condemn indoor production as long as it is done properly.
 

Flossie

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Lancs
^ this

These days Heads and Governors are much more under the cosh and can actually sanction teachers. I think the teacher may be getting their own meeting invitation without coffee ...........
My experience would tell me otherwise. I had a disagreement with school over a talk they had. I had to push, and go higher up, but within school, the ranks were closed and no one was going to be held accountable for their error. The complaints procedure is very much geared to keeping everything 'in house'. Swept under the carpet almost :cautious:
 

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