Teachers brainwashing kids on animal rights.(Pigs)

Old Boar

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A pig in the wild would be lucky to live to 8 years old. A domesticated pig may live to up to 15 years but that is not natural conditions.
Yes, they are stunned with electric tongs as this renders them unconscious within seconds and has been found to be the most effective way. I would ask to see the studies that show pigs are often not stunned correctly - I never saw this in 100s of pigs I took. A fully conscious pig being stuck with a knife would be a very dangerous animal indeed.

Thomas Hardy wrote Jude the Obscure (this is in the next "lesson") in 1894 for an adult reader. It is about the institution of marriage and religion. People would have been used to seeing a pig "stuck" in those days, and did not have the same ideals about animals.

As @Suffolk Serf has said, it is the use of language that worries me, reminiscent of tabloid newspapers, designed to inflame.

Having instigated a complaint lately, against a teacher, I was surprised that the Head did not know what was being taught. (Age 14 Grandson) This could be the case here as the curriculum is very closely monitored and prescribed. Follow the complaints procedure to the letter and then if this does not bring any joy, take it further with the OFSTED. Teachers are rightly scared of OFSTED. They have wide ranging powers, as I know having survived two inspections.
 

Jackson4

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Wensleydale
Have you ever been at a gavage feeding session - the birds queue up for it !!

No no i havent, i guess they are conditioned to be handled like that, just pointing out what the French do to do with animal welfare, and its not just have pet pigs wandering in the wild finding truffles.

I would think force feeding geese beyond their appetite to make their livers 10 times the size would not sit well with her either.
I personally dont know what discomfort the birds actually suffer, and not that bothered about finding out but its not for me.

Wiki says they are force fed in the last 2 weeks so not alot of time for getting used to having a tube down the necks.. i suppose the smaller producers will have fed them grain as pets for the weeks before so they are tame, and the larger ones seem to bring them in and force feed them in cages? Mind i have 5 aylesbury ducks on a little pond outside and even though they get grain there aint a hope in hells chance of me catching or handling them without a lot of fear and struggling on... and thats just me:ROFLMAO:

 

Jackson4

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Wensleydale
^ this

These days Heads and Governors are much more under the cosh and can actually sanction teachers. I think the teacher may be getting their own meeting invitation without coffee ...........

Im not sure OFSTED would be out like the police force for every parent with a complaint in school, they'd never be finished, unless it was a safety issue or it was a large amount of complaints at once.
Probably best get the facts from the teacher then go to the head who probably wont want to criticise the teacher to a parent and may just fob you off to not make a big deal of it... really the governors need to know about it and if its a rural school they may feel the same as Yale, their should be parent governors who are there for this particular type of thing.
 

Jackson4

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WOW .... ? Where to start???:wideyed: has anyone really got the time or energy to go through that, exasperated, just to say its written with a similar slant to much minority extremist view propaganda, much like the nazis did about jews, the kkk about Blacks... fecking cant control ('kill') my moles now.. will have to watch quite a lot of ewes die a painful death of listeriosis then! Associating sticking pigs from the past with modern day pig farming! Lies, lies and damn lies.

Jesuit motto - Give me a child till he is seven and i will give you the man.

This is insidious, calculated, scheming, underhand take yer pick ... fact is these are 'MINORITY EXTREMIST VIEWS' which is why humans all over the world weigh up the pro's and con's to their conscience and go on trying to make the decision re controlling vermin etc and choosing to eat meat as is normal to an omnivore. The views of these people aren't representative of society and they shouldnt be getting a shot persuading school children. English teaching aid:meh:
 

unlacedgecko

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So, point by point, what is the truth with intensive pig production? I'm interested as my boys may come across this and ask me. As I said, I have no idea. Take the first page and tell me what is not true and what the actual truth is.

I was a stockman on a fully slatted indoor pig unit. The business was birth to bacon, but we were a breeding unit doing birth to grower (3 months or approx 50kgs).

Rather like the recent vegan anti dairy posters, it's difficult to tear apart because it's not technically untrue. Mainly because there is a lot of emotive language and tabloid speak, but very little hard facts.

The facts which are present are generally correct.

As with most forms of livestock production the animals are pushed to maximise profit, in this case by maximising production. Most units will aim for 2.2 litters per sow per year, with a target of 11.8 weaned piglets per litter (I googled this, it's actually gone up by 1 pig in the last 5 years. As an aside imagine if the sheep industry increased lamb production by 10% per ewe!).

The sow yard was a large airy straw bedded barn. There was an automated feeder with EID recognition and weight monitoring software. The DLWG of the sows was carefully monitored, as was the amount and frequency of their feeding. The sows were walked through twice daily to look for sows in heat. V boars were used to assist with this.

The sows were put into farrowing crates about 1 week before farrowing. Farrowing crates are used for the welfare of the piglets (to prevent gilts eating their young, and any sow lying on piglets). Indoor farrowing systems require a lot of handling of piglets. Sows with young can be exceptionally dangerous, so farrowing crates are used for stockman safety as well as piglet welfare.

There is a lot of work being done to improve the basic "metal and concrete" design. One of the cutting edge designs when I was in the industry was SowLift.


There is also a lot of work being done with non farrowing crate options.


The weaners and growers were in pens of 40/20 respectively. The pens were enriched with suspended chains and hard plastic balls. They also had solid sleeping areas.

I've not worked in a slaughterhouse so can't personally comment on the incidence of incorrect stunning etc.
 

Shadow

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South Wales
Would it not be a better idea to invite the schools to our farms and show them how it is done
We have always done this to varying extents from multiple organised group visits from local schools to inviting parents to bring their children to an open morning to see lambing depending on how involved the schools want to get

Edit to add: it might seem like a lot of work but it really pays off as you can drop in pr messages about responsible use of footpaths, the reasons tractors have to use the roads, how we keep the countryside looking the way it does etc etc etc and it can do a lot of good in getting locals onside (especially if you can send them away with something as a freebie, a hotdog or burger to eat, a handful of shorn wool, a pot of blackberries they have picked, a box of eggs, even just a leaflet)
 
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Jackson4

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Wensleydale
At least these are modern day stuff and you can make your mind up from that. I dont personally like to see pigs in crates but having had pigs rear piglets loose or outside the fact is they do make a nest in soil or straw and its not a very nice event to go and pick up squashed piglets which cant get out quick enough, usually the runts, when she sits down.

If they are kept in loose beds (which is what ive seen on a small pig farm) then put in a farrowing crate for 4 weeks then grown on in loose bedding then that i suppose is intensive pig farming here today... not much like that leaflet though is it?

Gestation crates/sow stalls etc are banned here and rightly so.
 

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