Teachers info sheet on cows and climate change

DaveGrohl

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They will be quick to tag you with the methane bit, so you need to take a bit of time on Google, about a half hour and get it straiqht. Methane is a gas similar to CO2 but not exactly the same. It will degrade over a 10 year span. CO2 emitted by burning fossil fuels is a different molecular structure and does not degrade.
Another they will be quick to tag you with is soybeans. Another half hour on Google checking soybean councils and production w3ill provide you with the following. Yes all soybean meal goes to feed animals. The kicker, as you will, is that soybean meal is what is left after the soy beans are processed to remove the soy oil. The oil is used for human consumption so the animals are doing the companies a favour.
If you are having trouble finding some of this, I do have some of them saved and can send them if you wish.
Well quite, all of this has been covered many many times on the FF. A quick google doesn't equip you to battle these people properly as they are well-versed in presenting dodgy soundbites as well-researched "facts".

Google is a huge part of the problem, it directs you to websites that by their very nature barely skim over the top of the problem without actually revealing sound science. Methane from ruminants is a prime example of precisely this. Just have a look at Our World in Data's website: the go-to website for "facts" and charts. Every single piece of data on there used GWP100 as a measurement for methane. We now know this to be fundamentally wrong as a methodology for methane and so ALL of that website is wrong. GWP* is the newer better methodology and is fit for purpose now and we need to bring pressure to bear at every opportunity. The vegan propaganda machine is hoping to keep this quiet as it leaves their arguments in tatters. Delilah is doing good work on here showing us all what we're up against. But we have ammunition now, research it properly so you can challenge their rubbish and eviscerate it properly.
 

DaveGrohl

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These groups need to called out, and if your organizations like NFU aren't doing it, then you need to do it yourselves and get people into the NFU that will fight fire with fire. They show up on my FB all the time and I have no problem harassing them, calling them out on their half truths and mis-information. The vegans don't like it, but for the most part the host pages tolerate it, as long as you are reasonably civil. Sitting around and complaining doesn't do any good. It has to start somewhere, remember they did.
Just on the subject of Faceache, have a look for the EOM Alliance. They are a great source of robust info and are very active in calling out the bullsh1t. They are a bit too full-on regen farming or death sometimes, but they are chock full of ex-vegans who are extremely bloody angry about being conned into veganism and are crusading as a result. They are a goldmine of references and rebuttals to the vegan propaganda machine.
 
I regularly call them out on this kind of stuff. In reality, you usually only need basic farm knowledge to do it. They know absolutely nothing about basic animal husbandry or basic farming. For example, they are clueless as to the amount of milk a cow produces and can't wrap their heads around the fact that you are not depriving the calf of its mothers milk. They actually believe that farmers breed cows at their convenience whether the cow is ready or not. A lot of them think that farmers who remove tails from cows do it with a hacksaw ffs! The best of them only do half ass research on their topics. Granted I had to do a little digging to find out exactly what soybean meal was, but it wasn't desperate hard to find. When they are confronted with this type of irrefutable evidence, they usually go away, or resort to personal attacks, but, to me, it's important that this type of info get onto their sites. Then someone new looking at it will be able to see that not all is as it seems. They don't seem to bother taking it down either. I love posting the article from Oxford Uni about the broken bones.:ROFLMAO:they usually do some awful sqealing about that one.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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I regularly call them out on this kind of stuff. In reality, you usually only need basic farm knowledge to do it. They know absolutely nothing about basic animal husbandry or basic farming. For example, they are clueless as to the amount of milk a cow produces and can't wrap their heads around the fact that you are not depriving the calf of its mothers milk. They actually believe that farmers breed cows at their convenience whether the cow is ready or not. A lot of them think that farmers who remove tails from cows do it with a hacksaw ffs! The best of them only do half ass research on their topics. Granted I had to do a little digging to find out exactly what soybean meal was, but it wasn't desperate hard to find. When they are confronted with this type of irrefutable evidence, they usually go away, or resort to personal attacks, but, to me, it's important that this type of info get onto their sites. Then someone new looking at it will be able to see that not all is as it seems. They don't seem to bother taking it down either. I love posting the article from Oxford Uni about the broken bones.:ROFLMAO:they usually do some awful sqealing about that one.
Could you share that article here please?
 
I went looking and I'm afraid I could only find these screen shots but they should be enough to get you what you need. I had the links somewhere but I can't find them. One is the newspaper article and the other should be the actual University of Oxford study from Nov 2020. It was on here in another thread, that's where I ran across it.
 

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holwellcourtfarm

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I went looking and I'm afraid I could only find these screen shots but they should be enough to get you what you need. I had the links somewhere but I can't find them. One is the newspaper article and the other should be the actual University of Oxford study from Nov 2020. It was on here in another thread, that's where I ran across it.
A friend of ours who was vegan for years has "raging osteoporosis" (her words) which she must now live with for life (currently in her 50s).
 

Turnip

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After a quick look at this rubbish I see Vince and his chums at the "Ministry of Eco Education" are going full-bore on the vegan brainwashing, aiming it at KS2 kids (7-11 years old IIRC). Extremists love to get their hands on the young and impressionable, and that goes as much for Vegan Vince as it did for the Nazi's with their Deutsches Jungvolk or the Communist's with their Young Pioneers.
Young Farmers fits that shoe as well doesn't it?
 

Vader

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Vader

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Mixed Farmer
Pushing the vegan crap again...

Just like the BBC, lies as usual.
 

DaveGrohl

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Pushing the vegan crap again...

Just like the BBC, lies as usual.
Wow, that is almost comical in its woeful disregard for anything factual.
 

DaveGrohl

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Location
Cumbria
Pushing the vegan crap again...

Just like the BBC, lies as usual.
Just been on there and left some comments........
 

delilah

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Great idea.
I got local school wanting to do a visit.
But...
300 quid against risk of being sued if a kick slips on some mud or trips over...

I sent The Country Trust a link to that, they asked me to post this:

We ask all Farmers who host Country Trust visits to contact their insurance companies to make sure that they have cover for groups of children visiting their farm. As part of this cover it is likely they will be asked to have a Risk Assessment that covers educational visits. The Country Trust offers support for farmers to identify the risks and write a Risk Assessment which shows how to minimise these risks to an acceptable level. Our coordinators also attend the visit to support the farmer. Teachers, Coordinators and farmers all attend a pre visit on farm to discuss the visit and how risks will be managed on the day.
 

Vader

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I sent The Country Trust a link to that, they asked me to post this:

We ask all Farmers who host Country Trust visits to contact their insurance companies to make sure that they have cover for groups of children visiting their farm. As part of this cover it is likely they will be asked to have a Risk Assessment that covers educational visits. The Country Trust offers support for farmers to identify the risks and write a Risk Assessment which shows how to minimise these risks to an acceptable level. Our coordinators also attend the visit to support the farmer. Teachers, Coordinators and farmers all attend a pre visit on farm to discuss the visit and how risks will be managed on the day.
Accidents happen.
Even with a risk assessment.
Then I have to make an insurance claim and my premiums go up.
1 kid slips on some mud or gravel and you get sued.
If Country Trust wants visits then they should fo the insurance, not the farmers
 

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