Ten year milk price

[dinderleat]

surely no tenant farms are £35/acre? that must be for bare ground because if its a few hundred acres and theres a house on it the rent from the house alone should be that?

Depends in the situation. Neighbour owns all his sheds and built a house on their tenanted land, it's on a aha which the rent is judged by the potential earning of the land so the calculation only takes into account the bare land not the house and 150 cow dairy setup.
But I don't think it's as low as 35 maybey mid 40's

 

[Bossfarmer]

Depends in the situation. Neighbour owns all his sheds and built a house on their tenanted land, it's on a aha which the rent is judged by the potential earning of the land so the calculation only takes into account the bare land not the house and 150 cow dairy setup.
But I don't think it's as low as 35 maybey mid 40's

hes built the house himself though so why would it?

 

[Sid]

surely no tenant farms are £35/acre? that must be for bare ground because if its a few hundred acres and theres a house on it the rent from the house alone should be that?

House has no value its all based on the potential earning of the land. Yes both are sub £40 for good dairy set ups. One even has holiday lets that were once farm workers cottages

 

[Bossfarmer]

House has no value its all based on the potential earning of the land. Yes both are sub £40 for good dairy set ups. One even has holiday lets that were once farm workers cottages

most farm houses could make £1000/mnth if let out though?

 

[Sid]

most farm houses could make £1000/mnth if let out though?

location location location, i've let mine for more than that, go 10 miles towards west devon and you'll be as much the other side of a grand tbh.

 

[Bossfarmer]

The point is there will be tenants out there on say a 300 acre farm paying £40/acre for the whole farm, house included, thats £12k a year rent, the owner could get that for just renting out the house alone?

 

[Moorlands]

The point is there will be tenants out there on say a 300 acre farm paying £40/acre for the whole farm, house included, thats £12k a year rent, the owner could get that for just renting out the house alone?

They don't know how lucky they are some of these people on aha tenants and they'll still be moaning how hard they have it.

 

[Bossfarmer]

They don't know how lucky they are some of these people on aha tenants and they'll still be moaning how hard they have it.

12k a year for a 300 acre farm and house is ridiculous, try paying the mortgage repayments on 300 acres

 

[dinderleat]

12k a year for a 300 acre farm and house is ridiculous, try paying the mortgage repayments on 300 acres

When the tenancies were setup (succession aha) they couldn't give them away, could of been back in the 50's so were setup very much in favour of the tenants which were for three generations, which may not of been consecutive generations.

 

[lazy farmer]

Feel a spread sheet to punch some numbers coming up, open to all on here for review/input.

Current idea based on a rented 200 acre unit with a cubicle shed needing updating, silage pit and sheds for youngstock/feed straw storage. 250,000 gal slurry store.
120 cows
2 second hand robots, blue with the ability to do some maintenance.
AYR calving flying heard with beef bull running with the cows.
Calves probably sold about 10 weeks, but at whatever age they leave most profit.
Cows looking for something to graze but not silly small, something more like the first cross Holstein Friesians back in the day when they first appeared, if I can find them.
Sheep to graze grass on winter early spring as ground heavy for early grazing.
Setup driven by profit, not milk in tank/number of cows etc.
assume I can get a contract reasonably easy in North Cumbria? (Not investigated this at all).

How's that sound for a start? Basically want to bodge in the cheapest reasonable setup I can into an existing unit.

Tin Hat on......

Sorry for the delayed response @lazy farmer. Please rip my ideas to bits, that is what I am putting them up on here for. All constructive discussion is appreciated. I am trying to be as open as possible on here, short of posting the full details of the farm in question, although I know there are a few neighbours that lurk on here will be reading this and know the place in question. So please feel free to let me know what comments scare you, PM if you prefer, you won't offend me I assure you.

Ok you asked!(I'll put my own tin hat on)
the views that follow are entirely based on my own prejudices!
firstly without knowledge of a contract you cannot possibly formulate a potential system.
you mention being profit driven yet your system of choice is AYR calving which has been proven to be the least profitable system unless you have a contract that compensates you.
you mention having robots but wanting smaller/lower yielding cows. I would question the logic of that particularly as(I think) you have limited grazing.
you mention the cheapest installation but I cannot believe you have costed this as I would be extremely surprised if robots would be the cheapest set up?
why only 120 cows when you have 200 acres is this limited by the costs of robots?
What labour will you be running?

 

[pine_guy]

Ok you asked!(I'll put my own tin hat on)
the views that follow are entirely based on my own prejudices!
firstly without knowledge of a contract you cannot possibly formulate a potential system.
you mention being profit driven yet your system of choice is AYR calving which has been proven to be the least profitable system unless you have a contract that compensates you.
you mention having robots but wanting smaller/lower yielding cows. I would question the logic of that particularly as(I think) you have limited grazing.
you mention the cheapest installation but I cannot believe you have costed this as I would be extremely surprised if robots would be the cheapest set up?
why only 120 cows when you have 200 acres is this limited by the costs of robots?
What labour will you be running?

great, that's the kind of things I want to hear. Will digest it a bit and get back to you. Off on holiday with the kids for half term (could I do that if milking cows ), so if no reply, I'm not ignoring you.