Tenant or landowner ?

Cowcorn

Member
Mixed Farmer
I own most of the land that i farm but still rent about a third of the total . Nearly all of it is conacre one crop at a time reviewed every year .
I come from a long tradition of renter conacre all the land we own was got the hard way bought with money made with spuds and grain on rented ground over 3 generations so i will always side with the tenants
Over here in Ireland we have a long history of small farms and land ownership
The land wars of the ninteenth century and the land acts introduced by the British goverment which gave tenants 99 year loans to buy their holdings of nearly bankrupt landlords who were badly hit by rent strikes was the start of the end of the big estates .
Many more landlords were burnt out during the war of independce and their estates split up by the new free state gov after hostilities ended
De Valera administered the coup de grace in the thirties when he established the land commission to complete the distribution of the estates among small farmers. He also cancelled the payments on the 99 year loans saying that we shouldnt have to pay for our own land. Didnt go down to well with the British but the got over it .
Having recently watched the Poldark series on netflix its obvious that the ordainary rural people in england fared no better than the Irish peasantry but rural revolt and land reform never really got going .
Its all very well having a pop at glasshouse but if you were royally shafted the way he was you might change your view . And maybe the right to buy might be a bit shady but how morally right is land ownership of large tracts of land aquired free from a monarch hundreds of years ago .
All people will have their own views .
 

Bob the beef

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Scot Borders
If you had a secure tenancy for £30/ acre, why on earth rock the boat? Would it not have paid better to stay on board until such times as circumstances were changing for the worse ? Very interesting thread this as each area seems to operate on different systems. Here in NI. most farmers own land and take more in annual conacre. Where people know and get on well this arrangement can run for years. The NT. own Estates near us and of course the dreaded Land Agents complicate things, but large Dairy farms are pushing the price of rent almost beyond the reach of others. £160-180/year.
Sorry just seen this post. We had 25 year limited partnership tenancy with succession sorted out, at £55/acre . The farm had decent potential but a lot of limiting factors. ( very wet heavy clay).It wasn’t a case of rocking the boat. The government legislation at that time allowed for those on secure and limited partnership tenancies to register their intersest to purchase the farm, should landlord ever wish to sell. It was never preemptive and highly unlikely to ever have been used. However the landlord had already a deal in the offing for 1/4 of the farm for developement, unknown to us.The easiest road out out for the laird was to serve notice under a spurious made up reason. Many limited partnership tenants were forced out aroun the same time, as there was a whisper that the government were about to confirm them as secure tenancies. Worked out for the best though, we managed to purchase a better farm in a better area. Had to take landlord to court to get a settlement which they eventually agreed to , 3 days before it got to the land court
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Sorry just seen this post. We had 25 year limited partnership tenancy with succession sorted out, at £55/acre . The farm had decent potential but a lot of limiting factors. ( very wet heavy clay).It wasn’t a case of rocking the boat. The government legislation at that time allowed for those on secure and limited partnership tenancies to register their intersest to purchase the farm, should landlord ever wish to sell. It was never preemptive and highly unlikely to ever have been used. However the landlord had already a deal in the offing for 1/4 of the farm for developement, unknown to us.The easiest road out out for the laird was to serve notice under a spurious made up reason. Many limited partnership tenants were forced out aroun the same time, as there was a whisper that the government were about to confirm them as secure tenancies. Worked out for the best though, we managed to purchase a better farm in a better area. Had to take landlord to court to get a settlement which they eventually agreed to , 3 days before it got to the land court
You have your pre emptive s mixed up
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
What level of mortgage and living would that support?

it wouldn’t, you’re just buying an investment property & a part time job.

If you had the cash in your hand to buy it & your lifestyle expectations weren’t too high, yeah, you could make a living from it I suppose


if you were borrowing funds ( here, you need around 50 % of price as deposit, or enough other assets behind you, to borrow for rural land ), then as a stand alone unit, it doesn’t work. The current owner has about 5000 hectares of similar country adjacent to it, along with cattle interests in Queensland . . .


As an indication, I farm ( arable ) 800 hectares of better country ( I know this because I have done some contract planting there years ago ) only about 7 km away. This is still only a part time job. For most of my time I supplemented my income with contract farming work ( specifically but not limited to, zero-till planting ) or casual work. After the last 3 years of stress & misery I’ve now given that away & work a full time job for the local Shire Council.
While still farming 800 ha of arable
 

had e nuff

Member
Location
Durham
it wouldn’t, you’re just buying an investment property & a part time job.

If you had the cash in your hand to buy it & your lifestyle expectations weren’t too high, yeah, you could make a living from it I suppose


if you were borrowing funds ( here, you need around 50 % of price as deposit, or enough other assets behind you, to borrow for rural land ), then as a stand alone unit, it doesn’t work. The current owner has about 5000 hectares of similar country adjacent to it, along with cattle interests in Queensland . . .


As an indication, I farm ( arable ) 800 hectares of better country ( I know this because I have done some contract planting there years ago ) only about 7 km away. This is still only a part time job. For most of my time I supplemented my income with contract farming work ( specifically but not limited to, zero-till planting ) or casual work. After the last 3 years of stress & misery I’ve now given that away & work a full time job for the local Shire Council.
While still farming 800 ha of arable
800 ha over here would probably have 2 or 3 staff and a lot of shiney metal stood in the yard. You're doing it all wrong Roy :unsure:
 

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