Tender to operate NRoSO?

Robt

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Location
Suffolk
Not wanting to sound like a one man support for the VI/NROSO a quick check in companies house confirms that it is run a by a wide range of stakeholders in agriculture with representatives from National Association of Contractors, NFU, CLA, National Ag Engineers association etc etc.

It was created to prevent top down regulation - it was the industry volunteering self regulation. Lots of other industries self regulate too.
And what has it achieved in that time?
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I've looked and about 10% of NRoSO members are already members of TFF. Would guess that about 60% read the forum at least once a year. So I'd love to put an offer together, but don't think I'll get a response from the developers in time. Needs answers quickly unfortunately.

i would not touch it with a toxic barge pole or waste good money in dev time

this rubbish needs eradicating from our industry not encouraging, it serves no genuinely useful purpose
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
The law does not state that the CPD is required explicitly but it does refer to the Code of Practice within statute. The code of practice is provided by the HSE in which CPD is recommended. I.E. If you comply with the Code of Practice you will be within the Law, should the worst happen.

I know you have an axe to grind with assurance etc but I would be struggling to argue against the continued training of sprayer operators to anyone not involved with farming. Every other profession sees ongoing training as a virtue, why should farming be any different.


there is a VERY simple argument why CPD is not required

imports that we complete with and are used by the same processors and sold by the same retailers do not do it
 

Salopian_Will

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BASE UK Member
Location
Shropshire
there is a VERY simple argument why CPD is not required

imports that we complete with and are used by the same processors and sold by the same retailers do not do it

This requirement is not created by farm assurance but government bodies. The VI was set up in response from top down requirements.

If the worst happened and your sprayer driver hadn’t had any training for 30 years, it doesnt matter if your farm assured or not. The Code still applies

Never in a million years are we going to level down in legislative terms with countries with lower standards than the UK. That is not to say that government won’t allow equal market access, but that is verging onto political matters….
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
This requirement is not created by farm assurance but government bodies. The VI was set up in response from top down requirements.

Never in a million years are we going to level down in legislative terms with countries with lower standards than the UK. That is not to say that government won’t allow equal market access, but that is verging onto political matters….


NROSO is a Assurance requirement - fact

Creation of Vi was justified by NFU threat of a mythical pesticide tax ……. if government wanted to tax pesticides then they would regardless if any toothless Vi i’m sure - it was a lie told to justify another ag gravy train
 

Salopian_Will

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BASE UK Member
Location
Shropshire
NROSO is a Assurance requirement - fact

Creation of Vi was justified by NFU threat of a mythical pesticide tax ……. if government wanted to tax pesticides then they would regardless if any toothless Vi i’m sure - it was a lie told to justify another ag gravy train

NROSO is part of farm assurance but My point still stands that the code recommends CPD regardless of whether you are farm assured or not.

I disagree with your second point for points I have already set out. Probably more important is that without tangible evidence of agriculture acting to do the right thing it is very hard to lobby in its favour. That then leads us to the NFU and I know you don’t like that so at that I will leave it there….
 
NROSO is part of farm assurance but My point still stands that the code recommends CPD regardless of whether you are farm assured or not.

I disagree with your second point for points I have already set out. Probably more important is that without tangible evidence of agriculture acting to do the right thing it is very hard to lobby in its favour. That then leads us to the NFU and I know you don’t like that so at that I will leave it there….

CPD is fine as a principle. But on who's terms is the CPD decided?

Pesticide Application courses and tests are something very few consistently object to.
Sprayer MOT every 3 years is a legal requirement - so even if we did object its a regulation.
Other CPD issues can be conveyed quite easily via an email once a year rather than listening someone drone on about (non regulatory) issues whilst eating a crap buffet for £55

The points collection and the arsing about getting it put on forms and the tedious repetitive magazine from NROSO I think it would be better to shut it down.

The NFU don't work on farmers behalf, this has been demonstrated ages ago - it is a trade association and Red Tractor is a perfect example of it. They have absolutely stitched farmers up on behalf of the grain trade.
 
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Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
The law does not state that the CPD is required explicitly but it does refer to the Code of Practice within statute. The code of practice is provided by the HSE in which CPD is recommended. I.E. If you comply with the Code of Practice you will be within the Law, should the worst happen.

I know you have an axe to grind with assurance etc but I would be struggling to argue against the continued training of sprayer operators to anyone not involved with farming. Every other profession sees ongoing training as a virtue, why should farming be any different.

With out nroso we would have mandatory cpd for sprayer operators
just as truck hgv drivers gas and boiler engineers ect

If NRoSO is so desperately important, then why is it voluntary, why isn't HSE requiring the 30,000 non-assured cereal growers to have NRoSO (versus 20,000 assured), and why no requirement for grassland famers to have NRoSO. There's a lot of MCPA and 24D used.

Tbh, I wouldn't mind a bit of ongoing training being made available, but not at £50 for a training course + NRoSO fee. It could be offered much cheaper, then more might do it.

Don't waste a load of NRoSO fees on staff manually inputting CPD points. Spend it on producing free training courses, accessed online, and let the computer system automatically log your course progress.

Edit. Seem to think there is something that says should have ongoing training. Not sure if it's a should or must.

No requirement for NRoSO with N Ireland grain assurance scheme!
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
With out nroso we would have mandatory cpd for sprayer operators
just as truck hgv drivers gas and boiler engineers ect


would we ?

NFU say we would but they really can’t be trusted any longer to work primarily in FARMERS interest

Has ANY ag minister EVER said “ if you don’t start a NROSO scheme will will maje CPD law” ?


why have DEFRA just announced their own operator register if they have faith in NROSO and the VI ?
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
anyone up for driving lessons ? its a while since you all passed a test so im sure its a good idea

you could kill somebody after-all

only going to cost a couple hundred a year and a couple days of your worthless time so whats the issue ?

let’s not wait for this to become law (despite no such law being threatened) , lets get on and take the initiative to do this ourselves……….
 

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