Tesco stocking Argentinian beef in some Welsh stores!!

[jendan]

Is foot and mouth still endemic in Argentina ?

The first thing that crossed my mind when i heard this!..........just a matter of time before there is another one?

 

[jendan]

My thought exactly, didn't Tony Blair do a deal with the Argentinians when their economy was in mess to buy beef off them, not long before F&M in 2001?

It's only a matter of time before it happens again and judging by some of the opinions on this forum on the effects of brexit on agriculture I can see it being the last nail in the coffin for many who simply wouldn't re stock.

There will be little or no compensation paid if it happens again under a conservative government.Will all be blamed on the farmers lack of biosecurity!

 

[beefandsleep]

There will be little or no compensation paid if it happens again under a conservative government.Will all be blamed on the farmers lack of biosecurity!

And who will report an outbreak if this is the case?

 

[Tarw Coch]

There will be little or no compensation paid if it happens again under a conservative government.Will all be blamed on the farmers lack of biosecurity!

I hope we never see F&M in this country again but I'm not optimistic but if we do I think there's far better chance of compensation from a Tory govt than any other. I think there probably would be compensation for loss of stock but they may well tighten up on clean up costs as I know some, mainly the contractors who did the clean up did very well last time.

 

[Cowabunga]

Why has this descended into a Brexit topic ?

TESCO ARE SELLING ARGENTINIAN BEEF IN WELSH STORES NOW.

Currently they are selling it despite the high import tariff. They are testing the market in preparation for when the tariff is removed and they can import it at up to 10% less cost than currently. Quite possibly undercutting UK/EU produce by up to 25%

 

[DrWazzock]

Do people really buy food purely on price though? I am sure some do, but I don't think it's the majority. Ask your urban friends how much a litre of milk or kg of mince costs to buy and I bet very few can tell you.

I shop in a supermarket because it's convenient. It's open early and late, has free parking and everything is in one place.

I won't buy foreign meat because I'm not sure it has been produced to as good a standards as we have in the UK. When compared to council tax and utility bills, the cost of running a vehicle etc, the cost of food is very reasonable.

I'm not really convinced by this "cheap food" argument. I think people shop based on convenience, quality and variety.

I'll bet people think that Argentinian beef is produced free range in the Pampas, grass fed and all the rest of it, when it isn't.

We need to up our game on the marketing front without a doubt, myself included.

IMO if it is Red Tractor then it shouldn't be on the same shelf as the imported foreign stuff and there should be a sign explaining exactly why this is, so that the customer can make an informed choice, otherwise Red Tractor serves no purpose and is a waste of money.

 

[Sparky270]

do they still use hormones in argentina ?

 

[Christoph1945]

Perhaps we should have better farming education for the none farming public. Open farm Sunday is a nice start but I recon it needs a lot of follow-up. I recently read that a number of South American beef slaughter companies had been closed down due bad practices and passing condemned meat into the food chain.

I always thought that Argentinian beef arrived here in tin cans and it made a nice Irish stew but must confess to not having seen any Argentinian beef on the supermarket shelves. The wife and I tend to shop around for meat.
At present we have been buying what we believe to be British sourced beef from Morrisons but must start looking closer at the labelling.

 

[Cowcalf]

surely if you want to export products then you have to accept imports at the same time and let the customer buys which they prefer

 

[Cowabunga]

surely if you want to export products then you have to accept imports at the same time and let the customer buys which they prefer

That's right. Since we will export banking and services to these 'new' customers, we will need to accept their food imports. Many of our new potential trading 'partners' have little else they can sell back to us. They welcome a free trade agreement with the UK, not because they want to import much from us [they can't afford our goods] but because they want to trade the other way without restrictions.

 

[czechmate]

do they still use hormones in argentina ?

Entier

 

[Hilly]

That's right. Since we will export banking and services to these 'new' customers, we will need to accept their food imports. Many of our new potential trading 'partners' have little else they can sell back to us. They welcome a free trade agreement with the UK, not because they want to import much from us [they can't afford our goods] but because they want to trade the other way without restrictions.

Your doing some flapping, you are aware that just because you think something it might not necessarily happen ? 24hrs is a along time in politics never mind 2.5 years ! anything could happen in the next few years for better or worse so if i were you id button it or you might be eating words with your custard.

 

[Cowabunga]

Your doing some flapping, you are aware that just because you think something it might not necessarily happen ? 24hrs is a along time in politics never mind 2.5 years ! anything could happen in the next few years for better or worse so if i were you id button it or you might be eating words with your custard.

Are you actually telling me to shut up because you don't like what I'm pointing out? If so, I'll tell you straight out to get f**ked. No skin off my nose.

 

[turbo]

Trying to get on thread, why is tesco less "uk loyal" for buying Argentinian beef, than a uk farmer is for buying Egyptian urea, Nisan, JD, Kuhn, Amazon etc etc?

If machinery is not produced to our standards it's not allowed in (emissions regs etc)but were food is conserned it doesn't matter lf it's produced to standards below ours and with things that are banned here as long as it's cheap

 

[DrDunc]

That's right. Since we will export banking and services to these 'new' customers, we will need to accept their food imports. Many of our new potential trading 'partners' have little else they can sell back to us. They welcome a free trade agreement with the UK, not because they want to import much from us [they can't afford our goods] but because they want to trade the other way without restrictions.

Anyone who doesn't think this is that reality of Britt is either naive or simply stupid.

The currently united kingdom economy is dominated by the financial sector which makes up for near 80% of the whole house of cards.

How else is Westminster going to keep the economy unless they throw primary and secondary manufacturing under the cheap import bus?

 

[Hilly]

Are you actually telling me to shut up because you don't like what I'm pointing out? If so, I'll tell you straight out to get fudgeed. No skin off my nose.

Actually i was trying to get you to limit the damage, because if things after brexit turn out ok 2 good you are going to look lvery silly, but hey ho keep banging away at the keyboard, you wont change anything tho.

 

[Hilly]

Anyone who doesn't think this is that reality of Britt is either naive or simply stupid.

The currently united kingdom economy is dominated by the financial sector which makes up for near 80% of the whole house of cards.

How else is Westminster going to keep the economy unless they throw primary and secondary manufacturing under the cheap import bus?

I will see you at the other side of the bus then, may the best farmers survive. Watch you dont get squashed dunc.

Or you could play safe and book the farmsale today.

 

[RobFZS]

That's right. Since we will export banking and services to these 'new' customers, we will need to accept their food imports. Many of our new potential trading 'partners' have little else they can sell back to us. They welcome a free trade agreement with the UK, not because they want to import much from us [they can't afford our goods] but because they want to trade the other way without restrictions.

You think the Irish and the majority of other countries we import meat from won't have a say on us doing a rapid FTA with the likes of Mercosur?

This is where the Hard tory brexit and the one remainers sell falls flat, it'll be neither, we wont get tarrif free cheap shite from Argentina if it's going to harm the likes of imports from Ireland, everything is intertwined, especially if the EU is involved, you kick one and they all moan, hence why there is going to be further issues of a deal with the EU and strings attached towards lowering business rates.

If we want to continue to sell financial services to the likes of the Irish, they're not going to be best happy when we stop importing their meat, so they won't sign up to the deal, it works both ways.

Also, if people do end up buying Argentinian beef, then we've failed at our job to sell our produce, just as you and me have well seen in the dairy threads with the simpletons happy to work along on 25ppl.

 

[bobk]

At the end of the day it'll be about securing EU citizens already here , agree that and the worst is over . but will they.....

 

[RobFZS]

The more brexit unravels, the more the government will finally accept their responsibility after being asleep at the wheel for 40 years, we will end up retaining membership of the single market, there will be some sort of political settlement on migration and there will be some sort of deal of customs cooperation, but whoopy de do, countries produce food cheaper than us, that threat has been here for the last 100 years and what have we done to tackle it, allowed red tractor and the likes of it, to become the bare basic standard with no added real time value

Farmers moan about having little say, yet Mark Zuckerburg started facebook in a college dorm and now he is one of the most powerful guys in the world you could say, he can influence anything, i dunno if it's because farming is full of negative old farts, or they've just given up and taken the magic beans given by the rpa.