Guiggs
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And I think I'm right in saying that it's nearly all GM!
TexX ewes - which Tup to use?
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And I think I'm right in saying that it's nearly all GM!
its the DUP part of soya that makes it important. -soya meal has twice the amount pro rata than in rape meal ... but even then it has only half the amount that is in fishmeal. or sopralin
this is only so important for colostrum / milk........ well lactation then.....to put it simply.
kale and rape forage type crops are low in dup less than half as much as in good spring grass - which itself has a quarter the dup content of rape seed meal.
Yes i know why it's advised to be used just don't like the thought of it tbh. Not saying they're right either but i listened to a beef and lamb nz podcast and they thought we were mad feeding so much high quality protein, they advised getting the bcs right was the important bit.its the DUP part of soya that makes it important. -soya meal has twice the amount pro rata than in rape meal ... but even then it has only half the amount that is in fishmeal. or sopralin
this is only so important for colostrum / milk........ well lactation then.....to put it simply.
kale and rape forage type crops are low in dup less than half as much as in good spring grass - which itself has a quarter the dup content of rape seed meal.
Also we have tested twin and triplet ewes with the biobest ewe pre lambing profile test which shows energy and protein levels.
We feed deferred rough grazing and 0.5 of good quality 18% ewe nut. Both years the results have shown energy levels to be OK but protein levels high. Sorry I'll stop high jacking this thread now!
We feed deferred rough grazing and 0.5 of good quality 18% ewe nut. Both years the results have shown energy levels to be OK but protein levels high. Sorry I'll stop high jacking this thread now!
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IMO body condition is more important, too.
A big fit ewe which isn't fed, or given very little, will have good lambs regardless of diet.
Don't worry about it
we got onto the subject as it was suggested I needed Soya in my home mix.
if the kiwis are talking about scoring perhaps they don't bother to blood test .why do we always have to look to them for advice
im refering to milk yield btw.
problem is there aren't enough sheep nutritionists
im refering to milk yield btw.
problem is there aren't enough sheep nutritionists
Not so much looking to them for advice is just what they said made sense to me more than the soya thing.
I think we will feed a blend now, used to do it with barley, beet and dark grains and got on good. Only problem is getting minerals in them when using a snacker. May use a protein nut instead of dark grains so minerals are sorted, it has soya in it....
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Go back to my posts on the home mix - barley, beet, distillers maize grains, and to get minerals into them I'm mixing in molasses which is vit & min loaded.
It's working well
I got my feed company to do that for me but the bloody stuff won't go through my snacker! Only 2% mollasses as well. I was pretty gutted as thought it would work well.
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- Welshman living in Nottinghamshire
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Rumenco nutritionalist and liquid feed specialist recommended mixing in at a rate of 50kg molasses per tonne, and it's working perfect here. Just dry enough it flows through the snacker.
I did try mixing in @ 60kg/tonne but it bound alot and didn't flow very well.
So 5%. May need to try once more. Our snacker is an electric one so sliding trapdoor, it wasn't putting out uniform sized lumps so impossible to know how much had gone.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Aye I guess that will be 5% - I hadn't thought about it in percentage.
My snacker is ground driven but I've found if I go much above 5mph the heaps are smaller too.
You will need to go at a set speed to keep the heaps well apart?
I just fill the snacker for each batch individually, so know I just keep going til it's empty then go and refill
We used to do that but now have the totes on a loft and they full straight into the snacker, then feed 3 batches in one go. Quick and easy but maybe not blend friendly.
Used this few years ago in home made blend and it worked ok. http://www.rumenco.co.uk/product/67/LIFELINE-Lamb-&-Ewe-Protein-Meal.html
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- Dumfries & Galloway
Ahh I see.
My feed is mixed with telehandler and left on the floor. 1 old mineral bucket is 21lb or 9.5kg. I'm taking out too much to do it in 1 load as it is, so it works out fine with me
It's Rumenco EweLiq 16 molasses I'm using which is basically the liquid version of lifeline.
It's all on page 24 of this thread. I posted pictures and a photo of the data sheet for the molasses too
My feed is mixed with telehandler and left on the floor. 1 old mineral bucket is 21lb or 9.5kg. I'm taking out too much to do it in 1 load as it is, so it works out fine with me
It's Rumenco EweLiq 16 molasses I'm using which is basically the liquid version of lifeline.
It's all on page 24 of this thread. I posted pictures and a photo of the data sheet for the molasses too
Ye I've been back and read it again! May try with a tweek to the blend or may give in and buy nuts!Ahh I see.
My feed is mixed with telehandler and left on the floor. 1 old mineral bucket is 21lb or 9.5kg. I'm taking out too much to do it in 1 load as it is, so it works out fine with me
It's Rumenco EweLiq 16 molasses I'm using which is basically the liquid version of lifeline.
It's all on page 24 of this thread. I posted pictures and a photo of the data sheet for the molasses too
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- Dumfries & Galloway
3 days to go.
Went round the ewes after the rugby this evening, to find this girl had lambed in one of the most exposed places she could find... Triplets. 1 dead when I found them, 1 sitting with its head up, but the wind and rain was pulling it down. The 3rd laid out not much life, very cold. No idea how long they were born, its hard to tell in the rain...
Fetched her in, tubed both lambs and left them under the heatlamp. That was around 6pm. Back in at 10pm expecting the poorer one to either be dead or needing tubed again and in the heatbox over night.
Much to my surprise, both were up and going. The ewes bag sucked and both lambs full as barrels.
Oh aye, she is a Lleyn in the batch not due to start lambing for 2 weeks...
Went round the ewes after the rugby this evening, to find this girl had lambed in one of the most exposed places she could find... Triplets. 1 dead when I found them, 1 sitting with its head up, but the wind and rain was pulling it down. The 3rd laid out not much life, very cold. No idea how long they were born, its hard to tell in the rain...
Fetched her in, tubed both lambs and left them under the heatlamp. That was around 6pm. Back in at 10pm expecting the poorer one to either be dead or needing tubed again and in the heatbox over night.
Much to my surprise, both were up and going. The ewes bag sucked and both lambs full as barrels.
Oh aye, she is a Lleyn in the batch not due to start lambing for 2 weeks...
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- Welshman living in Nottinghamshire
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- Montgomeryshire
....... until Black Wednesday.
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- Dumfries & Galloway
....... until Black Wednesday.
I was going to correct you, and say Brown Wednesday...
But that sounds much worse