TFF Assurance scheme ?

[warksfarmer]

What’s stopping TFF members who are arable going direct to the main mills or merchants and saying we want a scheme we’ll pay for that matches that of imported crops?

Has anybody ever seen what imported grains has to meet regulation wise?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Do they even have sprayer mot's ?

They are allowed to burn Sugar cane.

They can just 'store' grain in a heap side ...... I expect the list goes on a bit,
?????
The same thjng as this needs doing for livestock as well.

 

[spin cycle]

we don't need any assurance schemes....they were born in the 'new labour nineties' and are out of date in the post brexit /unsubsidised situation we are in now

 

[Bury the Trash]

we don't need any assurance schemes....they were born in the 'new labour nineties' and are out of date in the post brexit /unsubsidised situation we are in now

The point i meant was than even without FA our stuff is at a so called higher standard than some of the imported.

 

[mountfarm]

This sounds like a great idea.

 

[Spencer]

We don’t need it.. just need TFF to book some Vessels in ports around the country where we can all lead corn into.

Simples

 

[digger64]

What’s stopping TFF members who are arable going direct to the main mills or merchants and saying we want a scheme we’ll pay for that matches that of imported crops?

Has anybody ever seen what imported grains has to meet regulation wise?

Commodity production is about taking what you can get for it at the time and accepting the ups and downs of the market place - thats it for most farm products and inputs . There are some things you can do to tweak this like selling /buying forward or adding value like milling/malting etc , but its still related to commodity price in the end .
Sustainability in this scenario surely is about having lower costs, reducing risk and overheads
in order to survive the lean times and match to competitors (imports) or being able to change plan quickly and cheaply (eg feeding instead of selling grain or change crops or stock etc ) .
Why dont people accept this , rather than look for add on costs with no benefit ,
increased bureaucracy and stress - whilst operating on a similar basis to driving a train .

 

[snarling bee]

So what are imported standards??

 

[Spencer]

So what are imported standards??

Quite low..

 

[Wooly]

British farmers already have an encyclopedias worth of cross compliance rules to adhere to............... what makes you think we also need an assurance scheme to tick more boxes !?!

Let's be honest, mopst farmers only tick the boxes the night before an inspection anyway.

 

[Hesstondriver]

British farmers already have an encyclopedias worth of cross compliance rules to adhere to............... what makes you think we also need an assurance scheme to tick more boxes !?!

Let's be honest, mopst farmers only tick the boxes the night before an inspection anyway.

surely this is the point: you self certify that you comply with all current legal requirements, job done

 

[Hindsight]

we don't need any assurance schemes....they were born in the 'new labour nineties' and are out of date in the post brexit /unsubsidised situation we are in now

Started early mid 90svwhen major and tories in charge.

 

[Hindsight]

British farmers already have an encyclopedias worth of cross compliance rules to adhere to............... what makes you think we also need an assurance scheme to tick more boxes !?!

Let's be honest, mopst farmers only tick the boxes the night before an inspection anyway.

Hi not actually good saying on. Public forum ’most farmers tick boxes night before’ such statements just confirm a concern and will encourage the mandatory introduction of routine unannounced inspection.

Also in this thread rather tells a non farmer reader (supermarket buyer for example ) farmers cannot be trusted, which is the exact opposite of the intention of this thread, a self certified scheme.

hey ho.

 

[Hindsight]

surely this is the point: you self certify that you comply with all current legal requirements, job done

As did the supplier of the cladding for grenfell tower??

 

[fudge]

Started early mid 90svwhen major and tories in charge.

Er sorry please don't bring any facts into this debate. You could also leave awkward questions, like "how do we persuade retailers to abandon the concept of traceability?" at the door. Delusional thinking and personal insults are however welcome.

 

[7610 super q]

OK, hows about this....

Those that luuuuuuve RT can carry on with it, and take the " Premium ", the rest of us do without RT, and also do without the " Premium ". Mills give the RT nobs £10 ton above FW weekly prices, and find " Special " homes for this " Premium " product, whilst leaving the rest of us the f**k alone.

 

[Wooly]

Hi not actually good saying on. Public forum ’most farmers tick boxes night before’ such statements just confirm a concern and will encourage the mandatory introduction of routine unannounced inspection.

Also in this thread rather tells a non farmer reader (supermarket buyer for example ) farmers cannot be trusted, which is the exact opposite of the intention of this thread, a self certified scheme.

hey ho.

Let's be honest, every profession now has pointless tick box forms that everyone is just cheating. Wether that is fast food chains ticking boxes to say the toilets are looked at every hour...... even if they are not; nurses ticking boxes that every patient is seen hourly.......even if they are not; Findus saying there is beef in their lasagne......even if there isn't; food processors changing best before dates and Country of origin on their packages etc, etc.

Ticking boxes will not stop the rogue operators or greedy unscrupulous middlemen from making your food any safer. All it does it make an honest person into a liar.


Nearly every food scare happens once the product leaves the farm gate. So if the supermarket buyers are reading this, then perhaps they should be looking closer to home !!

 

[Hindsight]

Let's be honest, every profession now has pointless tick box forms that everyone is just cheating. Wether that is fast food chains ticking boxes to say the toilets are looked at every hour...... even if they are not; nurses ticking boxes that every patient is seen hourly.......even if they are not; Findus saying there is beef in their lasagne......even if there isn't; food processors changing best before dates and Country of origin on their packages etc, etc.

Ticking boxes will not stop the rogue operators or greedy unscrupulous middlemen from making your food any safer. All it does it make an honest person into a liar.


Nearly every food scare happens once the product leaves the farm gate. So if the supermarket buyers are reading this, then perhaps they should be looking closer to home !!

i concur.

My comment was not intended to be aggressive. i was just bemusedly highlighting that your statement on a public forum may pop up in an RT press release in a couple of years to justify routine spot unannounced checks, as evidence of farmer attitude!

I do not want to be confrontational on these RT threads, as feelings are running high, but trying to add commentary to the debate.

cheers

 

[Robt]

Let's be honest, every profession now has pointless tick box forms that everyone is just cheating. Wether that is fast food chains ticking boxes to say the toilets are looked at every hour...... even if they are not; nurses ticking boxes that every patient is seen hourly.......even if they are not; Findus saying there is beef in their lasagne......even if there isn't; food processors changing best before dates and Country of origin on their packages etc, etc.

Ticking boxes will not stop the rogue operators or greedy unscrupulous middlemen from making your food any safer. All it does it make an honest person into a liar.


Nearly every food scare happens once the product leaves the farm gate. So if the supermarket buyers are reading this, then perhaps they should be looking closer to home !!

This is best and most accurate reply on this entire thread! Quite how to break that chain though isn’t easy

 

[DrWazzock]

Let's be honest, every profession now has pointless tick box forms that everyone is just cheating. Wether that is fast food chains ticking boxes to say the toilets are looked at every hour...... even if they are not; nurses ticking boxes that every patient is seen hourly.......even if they are not; Findus saying there is beef in their lasagne......even if there isn't; food processors changing best before dates and Country of origin on their packages etc, etc.

Ticking boxes will not stop the rogue operators or greedy unscrupulous middlemen from making your food any safer. All it does it make an honest person into a liar.


Nearly every food scare happens once the product leaves the farm gate. So if the supermarket buyers are reading this, then perhaps they should be looking closer to home !!

Fully agree with that. Replacing proper producer / customer liaison and communication with an impersonal third party scheme has in my estimation actually reduced real quality control rather than improved it. When Marks and Spencer’s actually visited us you felt a connection, they saw things as they were and there was opportunity for a discussion. You lose all that with the third party tick box system. Our grain merchants rep used to visit. He’d say they had problems with bitumen contaminants so don’t put any railway sleepers near the heap, and the kind of thing that an experienced eye with skin in the game would notice.
When selling spuds direct to customers you saw the customers yourself with kids or elderly parents in tow. It spurred you on to make sure you didn’t expose them to danger not for the sake of a tick box but because you wouldn’t want them eating anything that would do them harm. I never used nematocides or treated the spuds in store for that reason. A few minutes with the end customer is a much more powerful incentive to get things right than any amount of zoom inspections and paperwork. It’s called building relationships and trust, but it seems to have gone.