The attitudes of the younger generations.

[Boomerang]

I keep hearing from many different business owners that the younger generations are almost not worth bothering with.
Several times I've heard , they want to do as little as possible ,yet expect footballers wages, no work ethics, no interest in the job .sh!t timekeeping unless it's break time or going home then they are right on it.
No enthusiasm. Minimum effort , snd actually THINK for themselves . No chance.
I personally know two , one will do everything he can to avoid thinking through a problem ,only does Minimum.
The other I can think.of openly says he's only going to do what he needs to and no more.
This country is f**ked if they and their like are the future , no wait it's f**ked already ,they will.just finish it off.
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[yoki]

I keep hearing from many different business owners that the younger generations are almost not worth bothering with.
Several times I've heard , they want to do as little as possible ,yet expect footballers wages, no work ethics, no interest in the job .sh!t timekeeping unless it's break time or going home then they are right on it.
No enthusiasm. Minimum effort , snd actually THINK for themselves . No chance.
I personally know two , one will do everything he can to avoid thinking through a problem ,only does Minimum.
The other I can think.of openly says he's only going to do what he needs to and no more.
This country is f**ked if they and their like are the future , no wait it's f**ked already ,they will.just finish it off.
,

It's also why they are largely so unhappy.

 

[essex man]

I keep hearing from many different business owners that the younger generations are almost not worth bothering with.
Several times I've heard , they want to do as little as possible ,yet expect footballers wages, no work ethics, no interest in the job .sh!t timekeeping unless it's break time or going home then they are right on it.
No enthusiasm. Minimum effort , snd actually THINK for themselves . No chance.
I personally know two , one will do everything he can to avoid thinking through a problem ,only does Minimum.
The other I can think.of openly says he's only going to do what he needs to and no more.
This country is f**ked if they and their like are the future , no wait it's f**ked already ,they will.just finish it off.
,

Due to demographics the country is run for the benefit of old people.
That the disenfranchised young are somewhat directionless and uninspired is hardly surprising

 

[kiwi pom]

Must be lots of TFF members with kids or grandkids, what are they like?

There have always been broken arses and always will be, that doesn’t mean everyone is.

 

[Jonp]

Should do what I do and employ an Afghan (legal immigrant with a heartbreaking history), young, hard working, willing to learn, turns up everyday and laughs at my jokes.
Great builders labourer. Couldn't find an indigenous.

 

[yoki]

Due to demographics the country is run for the benefit of old people.
That the disenfranchised young are somewhat directionless and uninspired is hardly surprising

But there is no doubt that the nature of 'education' is hugely to blame.

The kids are taught now by learning, not thinking.

Both are necessary but it's hugely imbalanced against thinking.

Most of the youngsters (late teens - late twenties) that I know who are capable, left school after GCSE's and forged a path in the trades or industry.

 

[Pan mixer]

My three children have never had that problem really. After being employed as child slaves (according to them) periodically through their early teen years, they all developed huge dynamism to go to Uni and get jobs as far away from the farm as possible.

They have acheived that, one in the city, one in the North of Scotland and one on Jersey.

They all earn more than me and the OH combined, have every weekend off and several weeks of paid holiday a year.

I think that they were motivated very thoroughly.

 

[Gong Farmer]

But there is no doubt that the nature of 'education' is hugely to blame.

The kids are taught now by learning, not thinking.

Both are necessary but it's hugely imbalanced against thinking.

Most of the youngsters (late teens - late twenties) that I know who are capable, left school after GCSE's and forged a path in the trades or industry.

I first came across it at university but it's pervaded through schools now - pupils are taught how to pass exams, not how to - (full stop).

 

[Whitepeak]

I keep hearing from many different business owners that the younger generations are almost not worth bothering with.
Several times I've heard , they want to do as little as possible ,yet expect footballers wages, no work ethics, no interest in the job .sh!t timekeeping unless it's break time or going home then they are right on it.
No enthusiasm. Minimum effort , snd actually THINK for themselves . No chance.
I personally know two , one will do everything he can to avoid thinking through a problem ,only does Minimum.
The other I can think.of openly says he's only going to do what he needs to and no more.
This country is f**ked if they and their like are the future , no wait it's f**ked already ,they will.just finish it off.
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Rather than blaming the younger generation, maybe blame the generation that raised them ie. your generation!

 

[New Puritan]

Christ it must be at least a week since someone posted one of these "things aren't the same as they used to be" threads. I'm surprised @bluebell and @Pilatus haven't commented yet.

 

[yoki]

I first came across it at university but it's pervaded through schools now - pupils are taught how to pass exams, not how to - full stop.

Yes absolutely, and I say that as someone who's youngsters both have a BSc.

But they both had foundation degrees out of necessity and the final step of doing honours degree was a totally pragmatic decision done for no other reason than to have it for their CV in their chosen careers.

Both hated doing it and learned little or nothing to their benefit from doing it because as you say, they had to learn how to pass the exams, not how to.

Couldn't have put it better!

 

[Muddyroads]

We have quite a few youngsters who help us out with the veg. They can’t all be tarred with the same brush, but unfortunately the good ones are a rarity. To be fair, it’s not the most exciting work, but we recognise that. One 14 year old lad has been coming out several days per week over the summer and has been really good, at the other extreme we had to tell the mother of one youngster that they are probably best suited to something in retail!

In fairness to the kids, the system doesn’t help them. They can’t be offered any work until they’re 14 and even then are severely limited as to the hours they’re allowed to do. In my opinion this doesn’t help the work ethic to develop but attitudes still do.
For a lot of kids, a weeks work experience at school when most are 16 is their first taste of the outside world. How would most of us have got on if we’d had the same I wonder?

 

[yoki]

Rather than blaming the younger generation, maybe blame the generation that raised them ie. your generation!

You can't blame mostly working class people for thinking they were doing the right thing in encouraging their kids to go to university.

Especially when it was further encouraged by the entire system at secondary level.

 

[upnortheast]

Constantly hearing from our milk customers complaining about young uns with no work in them.

Pleased to report we have 4 grandkids left school now, all motivated & great workers.

It`s genetics, don`t you know

 

[Lowland1]

I’ve two kids who I think are absolutely fantastic . My son is 24 and works on the farm and has made a massive amount of difference to everything. My daughter 23 had a year on the farm after University and is now in Australia working for a year hopefully before coming home. Kids are a reflection of their parents. Me and my wife are brilliant so it’s obvious our kids will be. Given the moaning and whining on this forum I don’t give out much hope for a lot of other kids though.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Having at long last struck lucky having found a lad who does want to work and is prepared to have a go at anything.
This has slightly restored my faith that we may find future staff.
Fortunately we have also had my eldest Grandson working until today but he is off to Agri College.

There are some huge hurdles for these young people to overcome to get to work in rural areas, not least the crippling cost of insurance on vehicles. The lad we have taken on is paying £4k a year on a very old car. We need him to drive a farm vehicle at times and that is eye wateringly expensive, having already got one 21 year old driving another vehicle.

The Agricultural Colleges don't help with the employability of some of these youngsters, apparently intakes are up hugely this Autumn which is being known as the "Clarkson Farm Effect".
The old 3 year agricultural courses where the student had to work on a farm in the Middle year is no more and they will just do a two year course and get a day a week to go and get work experience.
That of course will not work well as when a student turns up for that day he or she will get the crap job that has been kept for them.

Students need to get practical qualifications so they can get a better chance of employment. Quad bike qualification, Basic sprayer, Medicines for livestock and in this area you need a Chainsaw ticket and then you are guaranteed a job all the winter.

I did have an enthusiastic 17 year old girl along this week who wanted a job. She was pleasant and was doing an animal management course (Bunny Hugging). She openly admitted the course was of little use but it was 4 days a week and she wanted to work the one day and weekends. Unfortunately the one day didn't work when anyone was able to supervise or help her and at this time of the year we try to do as little as possible at weekends.
Hopefully she will come for 2 weeks during her half term.

 

[Sonoftheheir]

When I come across youngsters who really are working well/ hard no matter what job they’re doing I always compliment them. They are few and far between!

 

[yoki]

We have quite a few youngsters who help us out with the veg. They can’t all be tarred with the same brush, but unfortunately the good ones are a rarity. To be fair, it’s not the most exciting work, but we recognise that. One 14 year old lad has been coming out several days per week over the summer and has been really good, at the other extreme we had to tell the mother of one youngster that they are probably best suited to something in retail!

In fairness to the kids, the system doesn’t help them. They can’t be offered any work until they’re 14 and even then are severely limited as to the hours they’re allowed to do. In my opinion this doesn’t help the work ethic to develop but attitudes still do.
For a lot of kids, a weeks work experience at school when most are 16 is their first taste of the outside world. How would most of us have got on if we’d had the same I wonder?

Both of mine are doers, and now there's grandweans on the go they seem destined to be the same.

But growing up on a farm does make that much easier to achieve (edit - echoing what I've just read on Frank's post), something we should be thankful for.

 

[unlacedgecko]

 

[yoki]

The old 3 year agricultural courses where the student had to work on a farm in the Middle year is no more and they will just do a two year course and get a day a week to go and get work experience.

While it's not compulsory or necessary any longer, our land-based college here in Northern Ireland will happily facilitate anyone who wants to take a work experience year in the middle of the degree course.

And rightly so.