The BBC does it again!

[CharcoalWally]

Like you say I think there was a lot more said that didn’t make the cut. I particularly enjoyed the lady explaining that it was still unethical to clip sheep after Gareth clearly presented her with an unharmed and freshly shorn example only to counter with “they be cold”.

To me that shows that they, vegans can be well meaning but slightly delusional.

I doubt if her remark was either well meaning or deluded, as only seconds before that she had alluded to shedding sheep being an option as they require no shearing. She wasn't concerned about them feeling the cold after shedding however. ...

No, it was merely a devious , desperate attempt to twist an argument round to suit her zealotry . She felt zero concern at that given second for cold sheep. She merely wanted to drive a meat eater down out of her own intolerance.

And what was the deal with feeding the guy a vegan cake? Would she have taken a bite of a lamb chop? Think we all know the answer to that one.

 

[Muddyroads]

I doubt if her remark was either well meaning or deluded, as only seconds before that she had alluded to shedding sheep being an option as they require no shearing. She wasn't concerned about them feeling the cold after shedding however. ...

No, it was merely a devious , desperate attempt to twist an argument round to suit her zealotry . She felt zero concern at that given second for cold sheep. She merely wanted to drive a meat eater down out of her own intolerance.

And what was the deal with feeding the guy a vegan cake? Would she have taken a bite of a lamb chop? Think we all know the answer to that one.

I would have wanted to know exactly what was in it and where the ingredients came from. At the first sound of something environmentally unfriendly I’d have refused to eat it on principle. This may not be how we live our lives day to day, but it would reflect our version of their lifestyle choices and be an opportunity to point out how unsustainable a vegan diet really is.

 

[Wellytrack]

I doubt if her remark was either well meaning or deluded, as only seconds before that she had alluded to shedding sheep being an option as they require no shearing. She wasn't concerned about them feeling the cold after shedding however. ...

No, it was merely a devious , desperate attempt to twist an argument round to suit her zealotry . She felt zero concern at that given second for cold sheep. She merely wanted to drive a meat eater down out of her own intolerance.

And what was the deal with feeding the guy a vegan cake? Would she have taken a bite of a lamb chop? Think we all know the answer to that one.

I see your point, ever widening and shifting goal posts we see that a lot.

In fact extreme Vegan arguments remind me watching ‘political representatives’ pushing the blame onto others after a bombing or shooting in the ‘80s and early 90’s, a completely entrenched point of view, detached from common respect and decency that simply will not bend.

However, I do not think all vegans are like that, I genuinely do think many are misinformed and ill educated on the subject, they may well be well motivated but taken for the ride.

Head to head meetings like the BBC piece are the answer.

Let’s not hear the argument, let’s hear a point of view.
Let’s not hear a rebuttal, let’s hear an opinion.

If farming wants to stand up for itself in the next age it has to roll the sleeves up and start shaking hands.

 

[CharcoalWally]

I see your point, ever widening and shifting goal posts we see that a lot.

In fact extreme Vegan arguments remind me watching ‘political representatives’ pushing the blame onto others after a bombing or shooting in the ‘80s and early 90’s, a completely entrenched point of view, detached from common respect and decency that simply will not bend.

However, I do not think all vegans are like that, I genuinely do think many are misinformed and ill educated on the subject, they may well be well motivated but taken for the ride.

Head to head meetings like the BBC piece are the answer.

Let’s not hear the argument, let’s hear a point of view.
Let’s not hear a rebuttal, let’s hear an opinion.

If farming wants to stand up for itself in the next age it has to roll the sleeves up and start shaking hands.

Absolutely agree with you here @Wellytrack , no argument.

But if we're to have head to head debate, then it has to be conducted on honest terms, not on politicised point scoring, or what's the point? Otherwise we might as well be lobbing stink bombs at each other from behind our metaphorical barricades. And that's where I had a problem with that piece to camera.

I'm sure that there are a number of vegans as you describe, but unfortunately they don't tend to appear on telly too often, as restraint, tolerance and open minds don't make for confrontational TV.

 

[Wellytrack]

Absolutely agree with you here @Wellytrack , no argument.

But if we're to have head to head debate, then it has to be conducted on honest terms, not on politicised point scoring, or what's the point? Otherwise we might as well be lobbing stink bombs at each other from behind our metaphorical barricades. And that's where I had a problem with that piece to camera.

I'm sure that there are a number of vegans as you describe, but unfortunately they don't tend to appear on telly too often, as restraint, tolerance and open minds don't make for confrontational TV.

Exactly true. The vocal minority and silent majority rule still applies.

 

[farmerm]

Every time the BBC mentions farming on the news they always have a spraying picture from the archives [emoji35]

The Midlands news have been using that spraying picture on every broadcast all week, it has me spitting feathers Of all the images of farming who decided that was the best image to lead into reports relating to UK agriculture. So from now on every time I mention the BBC I will lead my post with equally appropriate images...

 

[farmerm]

Every time the BBC mentions farming on the news they always have a spraying picture from the archives [emoji35]

 

[kfpben]

The thing that annoyed me about the shearing piece with Gareth Wyn Jones & the Vegan was the title: ‘When the ethical vegan met a sheep farmer’.

Why was the vegan ‘ethical’?

Was the sheep farmer not?

Shearing sheep is an ethical act done for welfare.
Being a vegan is trying to pretend you’re not part of creation and all the ecosystems that go with it.

 

[Hampton]

This also from the BBC today.
It looks suspiciously well researched, I assume George Monbiot will be wheeled in to the news room to 'restore the balance' while trying to urinate over anything that shows farming in a positive light:
Five ways UK farmers are tackling climate change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49044072

Pity about the soya bit! The cows eat the by product, we use the main bit!

 

[Wellytrack]

The thing that annoyed me about the shearing piece with Gareth Wyn Jones & the Vegan was the title: ‘When the ethical vegan met a sheep farmer’.

Why was the vegan ‘ethical’?

Was the sheep farmer not?

Shearing sheep is an ethical act done for welfare.
Being a vegan is trying to pretend you’re not part of creation and all the ecosystems that go with it.

Self appointed title.

Like mine, Wellytrack the impossibly handsome, muscular and well hung gentleman esq.

 

[lazy farmer]

Anybody going to praise the excellent job piece on ag and bio diversity In the lunch time news? Anybody......

 

[kermit]

bbc do get it right sometimes, heard a report of 70,000 out of control fires in Brazil at the moment. Many started with encouragement from the new government. So that's good for the environment!!
The only problem is, this report was on bbc world service @ 5am so how many Brits will of heard it?

 

[martian]

Anybody going to praise the excellent job piece on ag and bio diversity In the lunch time news? Anybody......

Funnily enough, I was on the local evening news tonight. Any interesting point I made got cut out. I guess they've got their story and edit whatever you say to fit in with it. Ah well...

 

[vantage]

bbc do get it right sometimes, heard a report of 70,000 out of control fires in Brazil at the moment. Many started with encouragement from the new government. So that's good for the environment!!
The only problem is, this report was on bbc world service @ 5am so how many Brits will of heard it?

No it’s also online as my son showed me a clip on his phone at lunch time.

 

[David.]

Nobody seems to want to point out that rewilding would probably work for most of us, if only we were married into an inherited landed estate of 3500 acres, do they? That crucial little detail is never mentioned is it?
Jesus, the SPS and stewardship payments off that lot could be keeping 10 family farmers afloat.
Almost as bad as pop stars buying an organic farm, making some kefir or something equally niche, which a mate who happens to be a TV chef promotes; and then telling the world where the rest of us are going wrong.
I prefer not to listen.

 

[Tim G]

Nobody seems to want to point out that rewilding would probably work for most of us, if only we were married into an inherited landed estate of 3500 acres, do they? That crucial little detail is never mentioned is it?
Jesus, the SPS and stewardship payments off that lot could be keeping 10 family farmers afloat.
Almost as bad as pop stars buying an organic farm, making some kefir or something equally niche, which a mate who happens to be a TV chef promotes; and then telling the world where the rest of us are going wrong.
I prefer not to listen.

And what food does that rewilded estate produce?.................









...... Meat!

 

[primmiemoo]

The regional BBC news has now got things right after a faulty start on Monday.

Yesterday, they focussed on the thoughtless and sometimes bullying behaviours of users of access through a National Trust farm in a staggeringly beautiful coastal area. The work of a well kept herd of Dexter cattle on that farm in maintaining coastal pasture in a condition to sustain choughs was well explained.

Then they turned to a beef and arable farm, where the reporter gave the farmer time to give a stonkingly good, accurate, and concise explanation of the importance of livestock for healthy soils that grow good food and also lock in carbon.

From here.

 

[puppet]

The main news articles have been how farmers are coping with climate change rather than highlighting how food production can fit along with benefits. So far we have rewilded 3500 acres, seen an electric quad bike( where does the electricity come from?) but little about carbon capture.
Meanwhile people are complaining the council is not cutting the grass. Others call it rewilding

 

[michael N123]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2845041188856495&id=100000519256083 Everyone should watch this with sound on

 

[Chae1]

Every time the BBC mentions farming on the news they always have a spraying picture from the archives [emoji35]

Nice Amazon panterra on BBC news last night.