The benefits of Brexit report out today

czechmate

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Or perhaps had john major not signed us up to various commitments after promising us a vote which we didnt get and had blair not allowed unhindered access etc etc we might have been happy to stay

No, I can’t agree with that now. Obviously I was/am happy to be part of the bigger picture which is the EU, but I can now see there is still a large part of the U.K. population hankering for the old days of the British Empire🤷‍♂️; which is not compatible with EU membership
 

robs1

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No, I can’t agree with that now. Obviously I was/am happy to be part of the bigger picture which is the EU, but I can now see there is still a large part of the U.K. population hankering for the old days of the British Empire🤷‍♂️; which is not compatible with EU membership
I'm not sure there are many who even know what the empire was to be honest.
It's the drip drip to the united states of europe or European empire we fidnt want, at least without a vote on it.
 

le bon paysan

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To be honest I don't remember hearing that it was only advisory before the vote, but I could be wrong.
Two things should have been done differently, should have been a minimum 55/45 or 60/40 threshold in favour of change or the status quo remained. 52/48 or basically first past the post was too close on such an important issue.

Secondly, all votes should have been counted in one location, so it would have been a proper UK wide result, no region would have known how its citizens voted.

Having said that we are where we are and have to make the best of it, protocol and all.
Not only was it an advisory referendum, the high court deemed it illegal as donations were illegal in a number of ways, and said if it had not been advisory only it would have been overturned and re-run!.
The High Court found that Vote Leave broke the law in a new way
England & Wales's High Court has ruled that Vote Leave broke campaign spending limits in addition to the way that the Electoral Commission previously said they did .
 

HatsOff

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Mixed Farmer
Do the people you speak of have the RIGHT to come here or do we CHOOSE for them to come ?
Who is 'we'? If people have the points then effectively they have the right. Point is if brexit was supposed to lower immigration then it has failed. If it was supposed to improve trade it has failed. If it was to increase our standing in the world it has failed.

I'm not saying rejoin the EU, I'm saying rejoin the single market.
 

stewart

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No, I can’t agree with that now. Obviously I was/am happy to be part of the bigger picture which is the EU, but I can now see there is still a large part of the U.K. population hankering for the old days of the British Empire🤷‍♂️; which is not compatible with EU membership
Problem being that whilst the blue rinse brigade hanker for long lost empire or even a watered down version in CANZUK, the countries that were part of that Empire have no desire to rejoin it.
 

robs1

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works for us, over on the mainland👍🤷‍♂️
Wasnt aware you have actually been asked if you want a superstate, as a single market currently it wasnt a problem to many here it's the direction of travel that we could see. Do you really think the French would give up their independence to become part of a super state where their decisions were taken away from them in defence, foreign policy, taxation decisions, etc etc.
I've said many times had the vote been on staying in the single market but never a further step beyond where the EU is today without a guarantee of another vote then remain would have walked it.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
Wasnt aware you have actually been asked if you want a superstate, as a single market currently it wasnt a problem to many here it's the direction of travel that we could see. Do you really think the French would give up their independence to become part of a super state where their decisions were taken away from them in defence, foreign policy, taxation decisions, etc etc.
I've said many times had the vote been on staying in the single market but never a further step beyond where the EU is today without a guarantee of another vote then remain would have walked it.

Despite what you and the bloke from Staffs wrote earlier in the year, here, away from tourist places, I don’t see anything or any mention of Francs; for example
 

le bon paysan

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Of the EU would have to put a border in too, and I'm not sure Ireland would be happy with the immigrants being shipped there. The protocol is a mess, I dont pretend to have read it so wont suggest what needs to be done, but imvho the EU used the GFA to cause problems with brexit and the uk difnt fo enough to get it sorted.
Along with a ferry ticket , Cherbourg to Dublin, they get a bus ticket from Dublin to Belfast.
Sorted!
 

stewart

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Horticulture
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Bay of Plenty NZ
Can you link to a single person who has said they hanker for a return of the empire. The only empire builders are the EU,
The inference that the blue rinse brigade hanker after empire, or as mentioned in post #47 a watered down version of it, is there for many to see, the mere mention of CANZUK is a tip of the hat towards days long gone.
The expansion of the EU is vastly different to the Empire building days of the past, The Brits, Spanish and Portuguese generally carried out a rape and pillage policy, with the vast resources of the countries they conquered going back to the "mother land" keeping their colonies in abject poverty, enabling the Aristocracy to look down on mere mortals with an air of superiority. This is the polar opposite to the EU who tend to financially assist those countries lower down the socio economic scale, lifting their standard of living. Perhaps that's why the blue rinse brigade object so much to the EU, after all we cannot have Jonny foreigner getting above his station in life, it would be enough to make Major Pumpfulroy splutter into his gin and tonic.
 
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robs1

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The inference that the blue rinse brigade hanker after empire, or as mentioned in post #47 a watered down version of it, is there for many to see, the mere mention of CANZUK is a tip of the hat towards days long gone.
The expansion of the EU is vastly different to the Empire building days of the past, The Brits, Spanish and Portuguese generally carried out a rape and pillage policy, with the vast resources of the countries they conquered going back to the "mother land" keeping their colonies in abject poverty, enabling the Aristocracy to look down on mere mortals with an air of superiority. This is the polar opposite to the EU who tend to financially assist those countries lower down the socio economic scale, lifting their standard of living. Perhaps that's why the blue rinse brigade object so much to the EU, after all we cannot have Jonny foreigner getting above his station in life, it would be enough to make Major Pumpfulroy splutter into his gin and tonic.
You mean the richer countries eu out sourcing their manufacturing to cheaper labour countries which is the same as the empires you mention did. Both help poorer countries but there is these days a cost of lost jobs in the richer ones, in the UK's case we have a need for workers in some sectors as there are brits that have decided they are above such jobs, of course that's not the EU's fault and I'm not saying it is, but we now have control over who we let in just as other countries do.
I dont know how many times I have to say it, personally free movement didnt adversely affect me the reason I voted out was I dont want a EU superstate and that's the way its heading, anyone with a pair of eyes and ears understands that and yet again I say IF its voted for openly and honestly then that's democracy but it isnt there is a drip by drip move to it , the EU army that has so long been denied is on the cards, more and more financial unity etc.
The Irony is once done the universal language will probably be English 😃
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
There won’t be a universal language… and it certainly won’t be English


actually, thinking back to conversions in the 80’s between my dad and then father in law, they both agreed that a universal currency wouldn’t be so bad; as long as it was the pound 😂😂😂
 

robs1

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There won’t be a universal language… and it certainly won’t be English


actually, thinking back to conversions in the 80’s between my dad and then father in law, they both agreed that a universal currency wouldn’t be so bad; as long as it was the pound 😂😂😂
Maybe not for a few years but English is the language of business, the air and the sea and has been for years. I have been on holiday where you have folk from different european countries when they speak to each other it's always in English as that is the common language they all learn.
When we go abroad I always try and use at least some of the local one, its partly why we go to France as I can get by reasonably well, but most will speak to you in English, probably less so in rural areas
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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