The benefits of Brexit report out today

[Courier]

It’s all relative but the long term trend is severely upset by something

 

[robs1]

NatWest’s Sir Howard Davies: ‘I’m quite pessimistic. Brexit was a significant mistake’

The banker and former regulator has seen many crises in his career, but war and political division have him worried

www.theguardian.com

Need a clear out of the ideologues in government and rejoin the single market. It'd remove many of the problems caused by brexit (especially financial and in NI) but still not put us under political structures. Negotiate a seat at the table for a say on the rules (which Norway etc have anyway) and let's get back to trading freely.

If you are in the single market you have freedom of movement, the country rightly or wrongly voted against that no government can go against that and survive.

 

[HatsOff]

If you are in the single market you have freedom of movement, the country rightly or wrongly voted against that no government can go against that and survive.

Non-EU migration has risen to take the place of EU migration but with no reciprocal rights to UK citizens, It is a failure in its own terms.

What’s happened to UK migration since the EU referendum – in four graphs

There is substantial difference in what’s happening to migration from inside and outside the EU.

theconversation.com

 

[Exfarmer]

We used to import the finest of young workers to support our economy and export our aged/decrepit to southern Spain.
Now we just import sub saharan people to “work” in the healthcare industry hopefully to wipe the behinds of the decrepit returning from Spain

 

[le bon paysan]

Just saying...

 

[robs1]

Non-EU migration has risen to take the place of EU migration but with no reciprocal rights to UK citizens, It is a failure in its own terms.

What’s happened to UK migration since the EU referendum – in four graphs

There is substantial difference in what’s happening to migration from inside and outside the EU.

theconversation.com

Do the people you speak of have the RIGHT to come here or do we CHOOSE for them to come ?

 

[Martin Holden]

Just saying...
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Yup, very rarely can you trust a politician I’m afraid. Wonder what would have happened if all those MP’s and ministers who voted for remain had stood by their convictions had not stood for ministerial roles post June 2016?

 

[Exfarmer]

Do the people you speak of have the RIGHT to come here or do we CHOOSE for them to come ?

Do you really dream for one minute Joe Average cares for one minute, whether his neighbour is invited, has a right thanks to membership of the EU or is an illegal. This neighbour is an immigrant , full stop!
I suspect Joe Average would sooner have Anna and Ivanka from Poland , than Mohamed and
Zena from Afghanistan though

 

[le bon paysan]

Do you really dream for one minute Joe Average cares for one minute, whether his neighbour is invited, has a right thanks to membership of the EU or is an illegal. This neighbour is an immigrant , full stop!
I suspect Joe Average would sooner have Anna and Ivanka from Poland , than Mohamed and
Zena from Afghanistan though

If the EU really get fed up of the shenanigans over the Protocol, and they really are, if the UK renege the EU just has to say "right have your Brexit" and revert to WTO.
Then give everyone in the Calais camps a ticket for Ireland and watch them walk into the UK via Northern Ireland. I reckon it would take a week for the UK to sort a border.

 

[robs1]

If the EU really get fed up of the shenanigans over the Protocol, and they really are, if the UK renege the EU just has to say "right have your Brexit" and revert to WTO.
Then give everyone in the Calais camps a ticket for Ireland and watch them walk into the UK via Northern Ireland. I reckon it would take a week for the UK to sort a border.

Of the EU would have to put a border in too, and I'm not sure Ireland would be happy with the immigrants being shipped there. The protocol is a mess, I dont pretend to have read it so wont suggest what needs to be done, but imvho the EU used the GFA to cause problems with brexit and the uk difnt fo enough to get it sorted.

 

[The Seeker]

The farming bit starts:-
Our aim is that by 2028 all farmers will be: running sustainable businesses that do not need to rely on public subsidy.
Looks like it could be back to the 1960's:-
" giving businesses and consumers more choice over the measurements they use Imperial units like pounds and ounces are widely valued in the UK and are a core part of many people’s British identity"

Enabling businesses to use a crown stamp symbol on pint glasses

Reintroduced our iconic blue passports.

Imagin that I buy a pound of apples in one shop then 3kg’s in another …, how f**king stupid

 

[Courier]

Imagin that I buy a pound of apples in one shop then 3kg’s in another …, how f**king stupid

Then you would have quite a lot of apples

 

[yin ewe]

Just saying...
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So she campaigned to remain in the EU but accepted the democratic vote was to leave and is trying to make a success of Brexit. If all politicians had done that it might have been easier sorted sooner.

 

[The Seeker]

Then you would have quite a lot of apples

Yes but since we are in post brexit Britain I could take them to my local artisan cider maker who could produce me some fine British cider that I could drink whilst watching some Morris dancers on the village green next to my a red phone box which of course runs on shillings and steam.

 

[Courier]

So she campaigned to remain in the EU but accepted the democratic vote was to leave and is trying to make a success of Brexit. If all politicians had done that it might have been easier sorted sooner.

And had the referendum not been advisory then I would agree with you

 

[yin ewe]

And had the referendum not been advisory then I would agree with you

To be honest I don't remember hearing that it was only advisory before the vote, but I could be wrong.
Two things should have been done differently, should have been a minimum 55/45 or 60/40 threshold in favour of change or the status quo remained. 52/48 or basically first past the post was too close on such an important issue.

Secondly, all votes should have been counted in one location, so it would have been a proper UK wide result, no region would have known how its citizens voted.

Having said that we are where we are and have to make the best of it, protocol and all.

 

[Henarar]

Yes but since we are in post brexit Britain I could take them to my local artisan cider maker who could produce me some fine British cider that I could drink whilst watching some Morris dancers on the village green next to my a red phone box which of course runs on shillings and steam.

sounds ideal

 

[robs1]

To be honest I don't remember hearing that it was only advisory before the vote, but I could be wrong.
Two things should have been done differently, should have been a minimum 55/45 or 60/40 threshold in favour of change or the status quo remained. 52/48 or basically first past the post was too close on such an important issue.

Secondly, all votes should have been counted in one location, so it would have been a proper UK wide result, no region would have known how its citizens voted.

Having said that we are where we are and have to make the best of it, protocol and all.

Or perhaps had john major not signed us up to various commitments after promising us a vote which we didnt get and had blair not allowed unhindered access etc etc we might have been happy to stay

 

[Muck Spreader]

To be honest I don't remember hearing that it was only advisory before the vote, but I could be wrong.
Two things should have been done differently, should have been a minimum 55/45 or 60/40 threshold in favour of change or the status quo remained. 52/48 or basically first past the post was too close on such an important issue.

Secondly, all votes should have been counted in one location, so it would have been a proper UK wide result, no region would have known how its citizens voted.

Having said that we are where we are and have to make the best of it, protocol and all.

Basically, as we live in a parliamentary democracy the will of the people is not sovereign and a referendum can only ever be advisory. And the government could have legally chosen to ignore the result!

 

[Courier]

To be honest I don't remember hearing that it was only advisory before the vote, but I could be wrong.
Two things should have been done differently, should have been a minimum 55/45 or 60/40 threshold in favour of change or the status quo remained. 52/48 or basically first past the post was too close on such an important issue.

Secondly, all votes should have been counted in one location, so it would have been a proper UK wide result, no region would have known how its citizens voted.

Having said that we are where we are and have to make the best of it, protocol and all.

I know we are going over old ground but had the 2016 referendum been binding then it would have been declared null and void because of all the shenanigans

EU referendum was 'not legally binding' says Supreme Court judge hearing Brexit legal challenge appeal

Lady Hale is one of the Supreme Court judges hearing the Government's appeal against the legal challenge to Brexit next month

www.independent.co.uk