The Brexit Negotiations

[The_Swede]

I agree he is less than trustworthy but if the fundamental point is true...

Leaving aside hard line views of total EU exit and on the other flank further EU integration in my view it would have been an easy win for the remain camp (and so avoiding the horrible political divide we now see) if Cameron could have offered the public tangible border controls at the time of the referendum.

Still all in the past now - but if this story is true we will probably end up with something similar but at much larger cost - the pressure for single market access is already huge and growing by the day, mark my words Labour will jump onto this bandwagon very soon...

 

[Henarar]

he wasn't flexible over movement he just said come on in the more the better he helped the eventual vote to leave considerably

 

[The_Swede]

I'd agree entirely with that... and anyone complaining at the time was in the minority and badged a racist (largely as the economy was growing so few were actually feeling the negative effects). How times change.

 

[bobk]

Not bitter then .

 

[czechmate]

Not bitter then .

Most folk who divorce don't finish off as best friends

 

[Muck Spreader]

Not bitter then .

Why on earth would they do that, it would damage the French economy. You wish the Daily Nazi would try and print news instead of trying to whip-up tensions with anyone who isn't white, English, and possess a minus IQ.

 

[bobk]

Why on earth would they do that, it would damage the French economy. You wish the Daily Nazi would try and print news instead of trying to whip-up tensions with anyone who isn't white, English, and possess a minus IQ.

Reinforcing his warning, Mr Browne says: ‘The clear messages emanating from Paris are not just the musings of a rogue senior official in the French government or central bank. France could not be clearer about their intentions. They see Britain and the City of London as adversaries, not partners.’ The memo suggests that other EU nations who wanted good relations with the UK over Brexit were alarmed by France’s hostile conduct but were powerless – or unwilling – to stop them.

Mr Browne says: ‘There is plenty of anxiety elsewhere in the EU about the French throwing their weight around so aggressively, but their destructive impulses are not being confined, and other EU countries that want a friendly relationship with Britain and the City of London are being marginalised.’



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[Muck Spreader]

Reinforcing his warning, Mr Browne says: ‘The clear messages emanating from Paris are not just the musings of a rogue senior official in the French government or central bank. France could not be clearer about their intentions. They see Britain and the City of London as adversaries, not partners.’ The memo suggests that other EU nations who wanted good relations with the UK over Brexit were alarmed by France’s hostile conduct but were powerless – or unwilling – to stop them.

Mr Browne says: ‘There is plenty of anxiety elsewhere in the EU about the French throwing their weight around so aggressively, but their destructive impulses are not being confined, and other EU countries that want a friendly relationship with Britain and the City of London are being marginalised.’



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London only has one adversary, New York. Paris, Frankfurt, Dublin are just looking to take the EU's financials back in-house which they have to do. If they don't, it would probably end-up destabilising it by allowing a foreign county to have a major influence, with little or no accountability for it's actions to the EU members.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I agree he is less than trustworthy but if the fundamental point is true...

Leaving aside hard line views of total EU exit and on the other flank further EU integration in my view it would have been an easy win for the remain camp (and so avoiding the horrible political divide we now see) if Cameron could have offered the public tangible border controls at the time of the referendum.

Still all in the past now - but if this story is true we will probably end up with something similar but at much larger cost - the pressure for single market access is already huge and growing by the day, mark my words Labour will jump onto this bandwagon very soon...

What pressure for single market access ?

The whole world trades with the EU moment to moment.

There is no "pressure".

If the EU wants to have "free trade" with the UK that's a different matter, but everyone has access to the single market already.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Most folk who divorce don't finish off as best friends

It's not a divorce.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Why on earth would they do that, it would damage the French economy. You wish the Daily Nazi would try and print news instead of trying to whip-up tensions with anyone who isn't white, English, and possess a minus IQ.

Daily Nazi ?

So what do you call news then ? Le Monde ?

 

[wanton dwarf]

London only has one adversary, New York. Paris, Frankfurt, Dublin are just looking to take the EU's financials back in-house which they have to do. If they don't, it would probably end-up destabilising it by allowing a foreign county to have a major influence, with little or no accountability for it's actions to the EU members.

"major influence" in what ?

As far as I understand some of these are just clearing transactions.

Others are financial vehicles which are common place in London & New York but deemed "too risky" by the Germans. Meanwhile France wants to do as little as possible whilst taxing the systems to death.

"EU members" who are they ? Oh yes you mean Germans.

 

[Hindsight]

I agree he is less than trustworthy but if the fundamental point is true...

Leaving aside hard line views of total EU exit and on the other flank further EU integration in my view it would have been an easy win for the remain camp (and so avoiding the horrible political divide we now see) if Cameron could have offered the public tangible border controls at the time of the referendum.

Still all in the past now - but if this story is true we will probably end up with something similar but at much larger cost - the pressure for single market access is already huge and growing by the day, mark my words Labour will jump onto this bandwagon very soon...

Just having a glance through the posts and spotted this one for a comment. Really so someone can come along and correct me if I am wrong in my understanding.

Post Brexit if no deal there will still be access to trade into the single market with companies / individuals in the EU 27 just that these trades will be subject to the appropriate WTO tariff and then any other (EU rules driven) compliance with regulations issues that arise. So my wheat can go into any EU 27 country but will be subject to a tariff. And then any other domestic EU regulation that applied - so I suppose the ones that spring to mind are phytosanitary rules. So same as say Canadian wheat has to at moment to some into the UK or maize into Liverpool / Hull. Just a case then of if the trade is still profitable for both sides and if the non tariff rules / requirements are acceptable to the exporter.

Seems simple to me but I maybe missing something.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Daily Nazi ?

So what do you call news then ? Le Monde ?

I take you are being ironic, as I am quite sure even you don't believe a word they print.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Meanwhile France wants to do as little as possible whilst taxing the systems to death.

"EU members" who are they ? Oh yes you mean Germans.

Ah, I understand the defence of the Daily Mail, mutual dislike of foreigners.

 

[RobFZS]

Just having a glance through the posts and spotted this one for a comment. Really so someone can come along and correct me if I am wrong in my understanding.

Post Brexit if no deal there will still be access to trade into the single market with companies / individuals in the EU 27 just that these trades will be subject to the appropriate WTO tariff and then any other (EU rules driven) compliance with regulations issues that arise. So my wheat can go into any EU 27 country but will be subject to a tariff. And then any other domestic EU regulation that applied - so I suppose the ones that spring to mind are phytosanitary rules. So same as say Canadian wheat has to at moment to some into the UK or maize into Liverpool / Hull. Just a case then of if the trade is still profitable for both sides and if the non tariff rules / requirements are acceptable to the exporter.

Seems simple to me but I maybe missing something.

Depends on the load really, if a shipment comes in and they have to test it for chemicals because we're a 3rd country , it could be day's/ weeks of that shipment being held costing the importer massively, thats the issue with non tariff barriers

 

[wanton dwarf]

I take you are being ironic, as I am quite sure even you don't believe a word they print.

You chose to castigate a media outlet. Fine.

Let's see your version of truth and virtue.

Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[The_Swede]

The pressure I refer to and feel that is growing emanates from the UKs political classes both Labour and Tory... this gets fed into the media and before you know it public opinion is subtly shifted. I may be wrong but it seems that for want of a better phrase 'Brexit' is getting 'softer' by the day, whether this is a good or bad thing is a separate argument.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Ah, I understand the defence of the Daily Mail, mutual dislike of foreigners.

Yawn.

Your just another Liberal extremist expecting the majority of the UK population to bow down to PC pressure.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The pressure I refer to and feel that is growing emanates from the UKs political classes both Labour and Tory... this gets fed into the media and before you know it public opinion is subtly shifted. I may be wrong but it seems that for want of a better phrase 'Brexit' is getting 'softer' by the day, whether this is a good or bad thing is a separate argument.

So what ?

The older the person the more likely their opinion is fixed by experience.

Politicians are showing themselves up to be pretty much what most of the public have thought of them for decades - useless and self serving.

Brexit is going to isolate both the politicians and civil service specifically into how good they are with no EU excuses. You can put whatever spin on it you like ... everything that is going on is of the politicians own creation and they will get judged accordingly.

As I said before the referendum I expect this to go on for at least 10 to 15 years or about 3 election terms.

Not surprised at all.

It's interesting to see you say Brexit is getting "softer" ... my perspective it's going "harder" with more and more justification.