The Brexit Negotiations

[czechmate]

Maybe Boris should get more assertive as one of the Brexit architects now claims Davis is "thick as mince"!
Mind you Davis did look rather uninterested to say the least as he sat across the table from the Eurocrats. Eurocrats with comprehensive position papers at the ready. Davis with nothing!! Then he toddles back to London at lunchtime.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/david-davis-branded-thick-mince-10816816.amp

Is mince thick?
And lazy as a toad and vain as a narcissi. Nice chap.
Bet him and Farage are a bundle of laughs together

 

[Ashtree]

Is mince thick?
And lazy as a toad and vain as a narcissi. Nice chap.
Bet him and Farage are a bundle of laughs together

I wondered about the mince being thick myself !! Must be nasty stuff from the continent.

 

[Henarar]

I wondered about the mince being thick myself !! Must be nasty stuff from the continent.

Ireland

 

[czechmate]

I wondered about the mince being thick myself !! Must be nasty stuff from the continent.

Made me think back to "tesco value mince"

 

[caveman]

Ireland

Minced Dobbin

 

[Henarar]

Minced Dobbin

Best thing for them

 

[Henarar]

And the nags

 

[Ashtree]

Ireland

Nah. Our mince is the proper stuff.

Minced Dobbin

Shhhhh. Don't want our favourite export market to know.

 

[caveman]

Nah. Our mince is the proper stuff.


Shhhhh. Don't want our favourite export market to know.

But not as cheap as Argentinian

 

[Henarar]

Proper rubbish Fed soggy grass
And the cattle are to

 

[JP1]

@nivilla1982 Thanks for posting that. As he says near the beginning, the EU has not made a sensible offer.

Not that it bothers me because I have no qualms that I will be kicked out, but what have they offered to UK ex-pats living in the EU? It must be a worry for those who want to spend the rest of their lives where they now live. This includes several members of TFF.

That's why I wrote to Guy Verhofstadt - and got a personal reply

 

[nivilla1982]

EU asks for clarity on UK financial payments
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JULY 20, 2017
I don’t understand why there is any lack of clarity on this simple subject. The UK owes our regular contributions up to the date of departure. The UK owes no contributions thereafter or special payments to leave.

If they want us to stay in the EIB we can come to an agreement about our capital in that Bank. If we want to stay in Erasmus and they want us in there will be a continuing payment related to our share of Erasmus spending as a non EU member of it. Our paid up capital in the ECB is small and not a major issue. If they want us to keep our small shareholding we could.
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

There is no cliff edge
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JULY 21, 2017
I have been asked to write about the so called cliff edge if we leave the EU without a deal. That is easy to do.

There is no cliff edge.

It’s another of those silly metaphors that have characterised much EU debate for years, like the instruction that we must get on the train, or be part of the convoy. The EU was never either a train or a convoy. It is a set of ever increasingly complex laws and rules, a single currency, common borders, the four freedoms and the rest as they progress to political union.

If we leave without a deal the planes will still fly from Paris to London on 30 March 2019, the Danish pig farmers, and French dairy industry and the German car industry will still send us their products.

 

[RobFZS]

redwood contradicts himself, to send these goods, you have to have a deal in place to get through customs checks for the likes of swine flu, while in the eu, checks are assumed, if we have no deal, every single shipment will be checked and held up, this is why no deal doesn't exist, the government would u turn the second the lorries start backing up round the m25

It's a stupid pointless idea when we have efta and the eea agreement staring us right in the face

 

[Ashtree]

Good to reflect every now and again to see parallels between now and history!

Britain Hasn’t Been This Politically Risky in 40 Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...n-1970s-flag-political-risks-in-brexit-nation

 

[RobFZS]

Good to reflect every now and again to see parallels between now and history!

Britain Hasn’t Been This Politically Risky in 40 Years
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...n-1970s-flag-political-risks-in-brexit-nation

Amusingly it's 40 years since Westminster was last truly in power of all the Uk's affairs, they have to get a grip of the situation one day, sooner rather than later

 

[dstudent]

I have to plea ignorance on the all brexit thing, I really don t care one way or the other, but I have a question, if the EU workes under a full consensus and each and every member had to agree to any of the policies, why people say the UK gov does/ did not have any control and was imposed upon by the EU?
One other issue, immigration, was a driving factor for people voting leave, however it is my understanding that under the freedom of movement rule, people could be removed or not allowed in if they could not prove they had jobs, income, a house, basicly if they cannot support themselves, and are not eligible to assistance. my undetstanding is that some EU countries have used these powers to remove people. So why it was not done here ?
Again I really do not know much about the all thing, so any insight would be great. Thanks

 

[Ashtree]

Amusingly it's 40 years since Westminster was last truly in power of all the Uk's affairs, they have to get a grip of the situation one day, sooner rather than later

So 40 years ago it pretty much needed to get in to EEC as it was then, as to books weren't balancing!
Roll on 40 years in EEC / EU and it has a very strong and viable economy !

But the management wants to roll the clock back !

Something doesn't add up!

 

[RobFZS]

So 40 years ago it pretty much needed to get in to EEC as it was then, as to books weren't balancing!
Roll on 40 years in EEC / EU and it has a very strong and viable economy !

But the management wants to roll the clock back !

Something doesn't add up!

No issues remaining in the EEA. EFTa !

 

[manhill]

I have to plea ignorance on the all brexit thing, I really don t care one way or the other, but I have a question, if the EU workes under a full consensus and each and every member had to agree to any of the policies, why people say the UK gov does/ did not have any control and was imposed upon by the EU?
One other issue, immigration, was a driving factor for people voting leave, however it is my understanding that under the freedom of movement rule, people could be removed or not allowed in if they could not prove they had jobs, income, a house, basicly if they cannot support themselves, and are not eligible to assistance. my undetstanding is that some EU countries have used these powers to remove people. So why it was not done here ?
Again I really do not know much about the all thing, so any insight would be great. Thanks

What? From what I've been hearing today, we won't even be able to kick EU criminals out post Brexit!
The rot is starting to set in already. So much for controlling our borders.

 

[Hindsight]

EU asks for clarity on UK financial payments
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JULY 20, 2017
I don’t understand why there is any lack of clarity on this simple subject. The UK owes our regular contributions up to the date of departure. The UK owes no contributions thereafter or special payments to leave.

If they want us to stay in the EIB we can come to an agreement about our capital in that Bank. If we want to stay in Erasmus and they want us in there will be a continuing payment related to our share of Erasmus spending as a non EU member of it. Our paid up capital in the ECB is small and not a major issue. If they want us to keep our small shareholding we could.
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

There is no cliff edge
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JULY 21, 2017
I have been asked to write about the so called cliff edge if we leave the EU without a deal. That is easy to do.

There is no cliff edge.

It’s another of those silly metaphors that have characterised much EU debate for years, like the instruction that we must get on the train, or be part of the convoy. The EU was never either a train or a convoy. It is a set of ever increasingly complex laws and rules, a single currency, common borders, the four freedoms and the rest as they progress to political union.

If we leave without a deal the planes will still fly from Paris to London on 30 March 2019, the Danish pig farmers, and French dairy industry and the German car industry will still send us their products.

I do read these blog posts put up on here from Mr Redwood. But just referring to the payments he says UK will owe no more contributions after end march 19 but what about things like previous EU staff pensions, commitment to EU building developments our government may have signed upto. I am struggling to think there will not be any ongoing 'maintenance' payments after the divorce is finalised.