The Brexit Negotiations

Honest john

Member
Location
Fenland
Did the government lawyers on behalf of House of Lords say that ART 50 didn't cover a divorce bill.

There for any potential liabilities can be used in negotiations.

Mrs May is off for 3 weeks walking this time ( that's a worry )
 
George Soros is active in Poland and Hungary ... BTW he's active in the UK & USA & EU ... seems as though Soros believes HIS opinion is more democratic than yours.

https://twitter.com/georgesoros/status/685824782986809344?lang=en

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...raced-for-polish-crackdown-over-norwegian-aid

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/14/soros-urges-eu-nuclear-option-poland/

Interesting ... can't wait to see the Liberals foaming at the mouth.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ire-build-border-wall-stop-muslimized-europe/
 
Last edited:

Pond digger

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
East Yorkshire
Nobody has explained how the divorce bill is being calculated/ justified. I heard some brief talk about "commitments already made", but no details.

Without some detail it's hard to comment further, apart from to suggest that if we're no longer going to be beneficiaries of 'whatever', then that needs to be taken into account. Any previous commitments were, I presume, made on the basis of continued UK membership.
 
Nobody has explained how the divorce bill is being calculated/ justified. I heard some brief talk about "commitments already made", but no details.

Without some detail it's hard to comment further, apart from to suggest that if we're no longer going to be beneficiaries of 'whatever', then that needs to be taken into account. Any previous commitments were, I presume, made on the basis of continued UK membership.


The "divorce bill" is calculated on the EU budget which I "Think" is set to run into the 2020s ... 2024 ... I don't remember and can't be bothered to find out ATM.

The EU want the UK to continue funding commitments made by the EU on the CAP budget for example until this budget ends.

If this was me running my budget and I had a shortfall in income, I'd have to rebudget on day 1, never mind 5+ years later.

Of course if the EU budget is reset based on their actual income this means either Germany, France, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium etc all have to stump up more money or East Europe gets a lot less.

Tthis is about European greed of UK money.
 

turbo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
The "divorce bill" is calculated on the EU budget which I "Think" is set to run into the 2020s ... 2024 ... I don't remember and can't be bothered to find out ATM.

The EU want the UK to continue funding commitments made by the EU on the CAP budget for example until this budget ends.

If this was me running my budget and I had a shortfall in income, I'd have to rebudget on day 1, never mind 5+ years later.

Of course if the EU budget is reset based on their actual income this means either Germany, France, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium etc all have to stump up more money or East Europe gets a lot less.

Tthis is about European greed of UK money.
2019 or 2020 is when this eu budget runs out
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
George Soros is active in Poland and Hungary ... BTW he's active in the UK & USA & EU ... seems as though Soros believes HIS opinion is more democratic than yours.

https://twitter.com/georgesoros/status/685824782986809344?lang=en

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...raced-for-polish-crackdown-over-norwegian-aid

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/14/soros-urges-eu-nuclear-option-poland/

Interesting ... can't wait to see the Liberals foaming at the mouth.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ire-build-border-wall-stop-muslimized-europe/

But a divided Europe helps the Brexit negotiations as it becomes a real option for others to follow. At present only 3 money pots support the EU. UK , France and Germany. Take away UK and your left with France and Germany with big liabilities like Spain, Italy and Greece. Why not jump to the new powerhouse of Swiss, Norway and UK. without the liabilities. Option would look good for Nordic and Baltic states.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Nobody has explained how the divorce bill is being calculated/ justified. I heard some brief talk about "commitments already made", but no details.

Without some detail it's hard to comment further, apart from to suggest that if we're no longer going to be beneficiaries of 'whatever', then that needs to be taken into account. Any previous commitments were, I presume, made on the basis of continued UK membership.

What about ongoing commitments to for example EU staff pensions. Are these funded out of a fund or paid direct as some UK civil service pension. There will also be longer term projects to which HMG has committed.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
But a divided Europe helps the Brexit negotiations as it becomes a real option for others to follow. At present only 3 money pots support the EU. UK , France and Germany. Take away UK and your left with France and Germany with big liabilities like Spain, Italy and Greece. Why not jump to the new powerhouse of Swiss, Norway and UK. without the liabilities. Option would look good for Nordic and Baltic states.

Seven other EU countries contribute more than they get back compared to the UK per capita, two contribute less than the UK and the remaining eighteen receive back more than they contribute.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
We can all manipulate figures but per capita is a pretty meaningless basis. More understandable is the graph below which shows the dire consequence for the EU if the UK leaves.

https://order-order.com/2017/01/12/eu-faces-funding-cliff-edge/

Why is it meaningless? The UK is always going to contribute more than Denmark or Austria and less than Germany for example, you don't need a ruddy graph to work that out. What I want to know is the relative fairness of the of the cost to me as an individual.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
Why is it meaningless? The UK is always going to contribute more than Denmark or Austria and less than Germany for example, you don't need a ruddy graph to work that out. What I want to know is the relative fairness of the of the cost to me as an individual.

Why. Thats why UK has been ripped off for so long with attitudes like that.

Just click on the flag to see how unfair our contribution is.

http://www.money-go-round.eu/Country.aspx?id=UK
 
Last edited:

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Why. Thats why UK has been ripped off for so long with attitudes like that.

Just click on the flag to see how unfair our contribution is.

http://www.money-go-round.eu/Country.aspx?id=UK

So you agree with me that a per capita is a more logical comparison, but why do you think we are being ripped off as you say? I am sure most of the other contributing counties would probably say the same thing.
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
So you agree with me that a per capita is a more logical comparison, but why do you think we are being ripped off as you say? I am sure most of the other contributing counties would probably say the same thing.

No I dont agree that a per capita is a more logical comparison the whole point of including that money go round article was to show you how absurd the per capita logic is. If you cannot see that then theres really no point in discussing.
 

baabaa

Member
Location
co Antrim
Gove thinks Wales is part of Northern Ireland :whistle:

Gove tells North’s farmers subsidies will have to be earned after Brexit
via The Irish Times
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...will-have-to-be-earned-after-brexit-1.3164498
a minister of agriculture spending his weekend walking round a local show, having his ear bent by 2 local rural mps whose votes he depends on to keep him and his party in power. democracy dont you just luv it?
contrast that with an unelected bureaucrat laying down the law for all the farmers in 27 countries, a lunatic coudnt make it up!
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 79 42.5%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 65 34.9%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 16.1%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 6 3.2%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

  • 1,287
  • 1
As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
Top