The Brexit Negotiations

[renewablejohn]

So you mean the main EU counties all up sticks leave the EU and join a new EU controlled by the UK. Nice idea but it isn't going to happen, is it.

Only the Nordic and Baltic states which traditionally stick together anyway, ie Holland, Denmark,Sweden,Finland,Estonia, Latvia,Lithuania. Together with UK, Norway and Iceland could be a powerful force. Not UK controlled more like a second viking trading area.

 

[rob1]

LOTS of chlorinated chicken on the way apparently. Protecting American workers and Making America Great Again.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...eu-protections-liam-fox-twitter-a7859101.html

You do know that water has chlorine added to it to make it safe for us to drink and when we were milking cows it was added to the final rinse through the plant.
Not sure of the details of this process but if it reduces food poisoning case from mass produced chicken is it just another scare story from folks that dont know what they are on about

 

[Ashtree]

Only the Nordic and Baltic states which traditionally stick together anyway, ie Holland, Denmark,Sweden,Finland,Estonia, Latvia,Lithuania. Together with UK, Norway and Iceland could be a powerful force. Not UK controlled more like a second viking trading area.

But somebody in the room would have to bang the table and put a bit of stick about in order to keep everyone in line.
Who would you suggest?
Unelected bureaucrats perhaps?

 

[Hindsight]

You do know that water has chlorine added to it to make it safe for us to drink and when we were milking cows it was added to the final rinse through the plant.
Not sure of the details of this process but if it reduces food poisoning case from mass produced chicken is it just another scare story from folks that dont know what they are on about

I gathered from an article I read a few weeks ago that I cannot for the life of me recall which publication that the issue of US chlorinated chicken is one of process. I like you think why does it matter - after all 350 million Americans seem to survive chicken to be gunned down every day (sorry, thought a cheap jib in there would add levity) and I know lots of Europeans holiday in USA where I assume they eat the chicken and beef - which in itself poses another conundrum about banning US imports - unless they all become vegetarian for their hols? Anyway back to the point. As I gather the use of chlorine allows the US processing factories to douse the meat and thus ensure complete disease control and thus run continuously rather than have to clean regularly between batches. Also chlorine can clean up old meat and thus there is an age thing as well. I recall a few years ago there was a scam around Nottingham / Leeds of a meat wholesaler buying condemned chicken carcasses and bleaching with chlorine type product to make it white again. But do correct me if I am wrong.

 

[renewablejohn]

But somebody in the room would have to bang the table and put a bit of stick about in order to keep everyone in line.
Who would you suggest?
Unelected bureaucrats perhaps?

The guys in charge of the Norwegian farmers union seem to do a damn good job unlike there UK counterparts.

https://www.thelocal.no/20170519/norwegian-farmers-blockade-supermarket-warehouses-in-protest-action

 

[RobFZS]

I gathered from an article I read a few weeks ago that I cannot for the life of me recall which publication that the issue of US chlorinated chicken is one of process. I like you think why does it matter - after all 350 million Americans seem to survive chicken to be gunned down every day (sorry, thought a cheap jib in there would add levity) and I know lots of Europeans holiday in USA where I assume they eat the chicken and beef - which in itself poses another conundrum about banning US imports - unless they all become vegetarian for their hols? Anyway back to the point. As I gather the use of chlorine allows the US processing factories to douse the meat and thus ensure complete disease control and thus run continuously rather than have to clean regularly between batches. Also chlorine can clean up old meat and thus there is an age thing as well. I recall a few years ago there was a scam around Nottingham / Leeds of a meat wholesaler buying condemned chicken carcasses and bleaching with chlorine type product to make it white again. But do correct me if I am wrong.

The World health organisation and Codex, the global food standards regulator have both passed off Chlorine washes as safe. yet the EU still bans the process, mostly because they want someone to pay for the testing they want to see and no one is willing to do it because the poultry market is soo small

 

[Ashtree]

The World health organisation and Codex, the global food standards regulator have both passed off Chlorine washes as safe. yet the EU still bans the process, mostly because they want someone to pay for the testing they want to see and no one is willing to do it because the poultry market is soo small

Be that as it may. I certainly know which kind of food I choose to eat or put on my family's table to eat.
Would never want to see my staple diet being delivered to my table grown or fed by GM seeds, unnecessarily sprayed with pesticides, unnecessarily injected with and fed with antibiotics, growth prompted by steroids and finally washed in chlorine!

Have your issues with the EU by all means, but when you break away don't let a situation develop where your children and grandchildren will have to eat that chemical muck!

 

[linga]

Be that as it may. I certainly know which kind of food I choose to eat or put on my family's table to eat.
Would never want to see my staple diet being delivered to my table grown or fed by GM seeds, unnecessarily sprayed with pesticides, unnecessarily injected with and fed with antibiotics, growth prompted by steroids and finally washed in chlorine!

Have your issues with the EU by all means, but when you break away don't let a situation develop where your children and grandchildren will have to eat that chemical muck!

I dont think anyone is advocating force feeding us "that chemical muck"

 

[RobFZS]

Be that as it may. I certainly know which kind of food I choose to eat or put on my family's table to eat.
Would never want to see my staple diet being delivered to my table grown or fed by GM seeds, unnecessarily sprayed with pesticides, unnecessarily injected with and fed with antibiotics, growth prompted by steroids and finally washed in chlorine!

Have your issues with the EU by all means, but when you break away don't let a situation develop where your children and grandchildren will have to eat that chemical muck!

bloody experts and their research eh

This is all about choice and you know it, when are you going to tell me about the EFTA court ?

 

[baabaa]

Be that as it may. I certainly know which kind of food I choose to eat or put on my family's table to eat.
Would never want to see my staple diet being delivered to my table grown or fed by GM seeds, unnecessarily sprayed with pesticides, unnecessarily injected with and fed with antibiotics, growth prompted by steroids and finally washed in chlorine!

Have your issues with the EU by all means, but when you break away don't let a situation develop where your children and grandchildren will have to eat that chemical muck!

so you would rather be poisoned by the bugs then!
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...rges-to-highest-level-ever-here-30945330.html

 

[Ashtree]

so you would rather be poisoned by the bugs then!
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...rges-to-highest-level-ever-here-30945330.html

No I wouldn't. Specific issues and challenges arise which need to be treated in the short term whilst long term solutions and controls are found.
I want individual solutions to individual problems.
Chlorine in USA is used in exactly the same way as antibiotics. As a blanket solution. Blasting the whole chicken and chicken food chain with antibiotics to combat health challenges due to production methods. Then blasting the slaughtered meat with chlorine to combat issues arising due to less than hygienic processes!

It's call "cheap food". Bolloks to that!

I have higher expectations for myself and my family!

 

[RobFZS]

No I wouldn't. Specific issues and challenges arise which need to be treated in the short term whilst long term solutions and controls are found.
I want individual solutions to individual problems.
Chlorine in USA is used in exactly the same way as antibiotics. As a blanket solution. Blasting the whole chicken and chicken food chain with antibiotics to combat health challenges due to production methods. Then blasting the slaughtered meat with chlorine to combat issues arising due to less than hygienic processes!

It's call "cheap food". Bolloks to that!

I have higher expectations for myself and my family!

Whats stopping you then? nout you're just kicking up a fuss

 

[Ashtree]

Whats stopping you then? nout you're just kicking up a fuss

bloody experts and their research eh

This is all about choice and you know it, when are you going to tell me about the EFTA court ?

EFTA court has jurisdiction over trade disputes between EFTA countries.
In the matter of trade disputes between EFTA countries and the EU through SM access, the ECJ holds jurisdiction.
In other words, if you want to play in my market place you follow the rules of my market.
Logical really!

 

[Dalehitchy]

Out of every group that voted for Brexit the farmers are surely the most difficult to understand why. Just about every single aspect of their business benefits from the EU from preventing cheap poor quality imports from the US and other countries, labour, market access all the way to massive subsidies. If ever the phrase "Turkeys voting for Xmas" was relevant to a group then you are it.

The other aspect of it is why on earth they would trust Westminster to maintain subsidy levels post Brexit, we all know they wont. We've already had the Welsh NFU say that they are worried that Brexit will wipe out Welsh farming and Gove has already started making noises about farmers having to "Earn their subsidies" post Brexit. Everyone with a tenth of a brain knows exactly what that means.

The other group that fall into this same category are the population of Cornwall. Its received something in the region of £1 billion in EU funding (under Objective One) which lo and behold has just been found to have been received in error as they were "not poor enough". Luckily just in time to correct this error post Brexit.

I have to laugh. Farmers are going to get shafted big time. Will be funny to watch.

 

[Ashtree]

Out of every group that voted for Brexit the farmers are surely the most difficult to understand why. Like you said just about every single aspect of their business benefits from the EU from preventing cheap poor quality imports, labour, market access all the way to massive subsidies. If ever the phrase "Turkeys voting for Xmas" was relevant to a group then they are it.

The other aspect of it is why on earth they would trust Westminster to maintain subsidy levels post Brexit, we all know they wont. We've already had the Welsh NFU say that they are worried that Brexit will wipe out Welsh farming and Gove has already started making noises about farmers having to "Earn their subsidies" post Brexit. Everyone with a tenth of a brain knows exactly what that means.

The other group that fall into this same category are the population of Cornwall. Its received something in the region of £1 billion in EU funding (under Objective One) which lo and behold has just been found to have been received in error as they were "not poor enough". Luckily just in time to correct this error post Brexit.

I have to laugh. Farmers are going to get shafted big time. Will be funny to watch.

I keep telling them on here.................................. but the keep on responding with a bag of mumbo jumbo mixed messages
eg ............. IF PUBLIC WANT FOOD THEY WILL BLOODY WELL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT
IF THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T TREAT FARMERS RIGHT THEY BETTER NOT COME BACK LOOKING FOR VOTES NEXT TIME
FARMERS WILL BE UNFETTERED BY REGULATION AND WILL BE EFFICIENT AND WILL SURVIVE

And wait for the best one of all

IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INDIVIDUAL FARMER'S BUSINESS IT'S SIMPLY THE PATRIOTIC THING TO DO

Thought Tommy Cooper was dead and buried, but no he's still alive farming the patriotic way
..

 

[RobFZS]

EFTA court has jurisdiction over trade disputes between EFTA countries.
In the matter of trade disputes between EFTA countries and the EU through SM access, the ECJ holds jurisdiction.
In other words, if you want to play in my market place you follow the rules of my market.
Logical really!

And what power do the countries under the jurisdiction of the EFTA court have that we do not? rights of reservation or in other words, sovereignty

We'll get there in the end

 

[RobFZS]

Out of every group that voted for Brexit the farmers are surely the most difficult to understand why. Just about every single aspect of their business benefits from the EU from preventing cheap poor quality imports from the US and other countries, labour, market access all the way to massive subsidies. If ever the phrase "Turkeys voting for Xmas" was relevant to a group then you are it.

The other aspect of it is why on earth they would trust Westminster to maintain subsidy levels post Brexit, we all know they wont. We've already had the Welsh NFU say that they are worried that Brexit will wipe out Welsh farming and Gove has already started making noises about farmers having to "Earn their subsidies" post Brexit. Everyone with a tenth of a brain knows exactly what that means.

The other group that fall into this same category are the population of Cornwall. Its received something in the region of £1 billion in EU funding (under Objective One) which lo and behold has just been found to have been received in error as they were "not poor enough". Luckily just in time to correct this error post Brexit.

I have to laugh. Farmers are going to get shafted big time. Will be funny to watch.

If we have to have government intervention to make the industry work, it's already on its death knell.

 

[Dalehitchy]

If we have to have government intervention to make the industry work, it's already on its death knell.

Dont remember that being said to farmers before the referendum lol

 

[RobFZS]

Dont remember that being said to farmers before the referendum lol

you do know people have independent brains and independent reasons of why they voted why they did?

Rather than thick sh!t remainers who did what they were told by the banksters and lazy politicians that don't want any work

 

[Dalehitchy]

you do know people have independent brains and independent reasons of why they voted why they did?

Rather than thick sh!t remainers who did what they were told by the banksters and lazy politicians that don't want any work

hit a nerve there did I? lol

Good luck finding a new job anyway. Maybe move to America and work for one of their farms once your undercut and go out of business