The Conviction Politician

[Walterp]

Farmers often bemoan (among many other things) the absence of conviction politicians in the UK.

Well, here’s one - John McDonnell. Working class boy made good, a graduate, a trades union background, extensive experience of helping disadvantaged children, and a burning conviction that the Thatcherite revolution has ended, as revolutions often end, by consuming itself - “They’ve got no mission, no objectives and I think they realise. What is the point of them being there?”

He is also in charge of Labour’s economic policy, and has this week requested Civil Service access for Labour shadow ministerial teams to 'learn the ropes of running government departments' as the Tories continue on their self-imposed slow road to oblivion.

And instead? McDonnell advocates re-nationalisation of public utilties, £500bn of public spending, higher taxes for the better off, big cash injections into the public services including an extra £6bn immediately for the NHS, and a huge housebuilding programme.

Attlee reprised, and equally likely to enjoy widespread electoral support.

Try this: “When people are having those school gate conversations saying, ‘oh they’ve just laid off so and so, our teaching assistant in the class’, or ‘last night I was at A&E and we waited eight hours before we actually saw anyone’ and then they read about the Paradise Papers and the super-rich avoiding taxes, no wonder people are getting angry.”

There’s going to be a General election soon. Corbyn will probably gain power. McDonnell will be Chancellor.

Enjoy.

 

[Ashtree]

Farmers often bemoan (among many other things) the absence of conviction politicians in the UK.

Well, here’s one - John McDonnell. Working class boy made good, a graduate, a trades union background, extensive experience of helping disadvantaged children, and a burning conviction that the Thatcherite revolution has ended, as revolutions often end, by consuming itself - “They’ve got no mission, no objectives and I think they realise. What is the point of them being there?”

He is also in charge of Labour’s economic policy, and has this week requested Civil Service access for Labour shadow ministerial teams to 'learn the ropes of running government departments' as the Tories continue on their self-imposed slow road to oblivion.

And instead? McDonnell advocates re-nationalisation of public utilties, £500bn of public spending, higher taxes for the better off, big cash injections into the public services including an extra £6bn immediately for the NHS, and a huge housebuilding programme.

Attlee reprised, and equally likely to enjoy widespread electoral support.

Try this: “When people are having those school gate conversations saying, ‘oh they’ve just laid off so and so, our teaching assistant in the class’, or ‘last night I was at A&E and we waited eight hours before we actually saw anyone’ and then they read about the Paradise Papers and the super-rich avoiding taxes, no wonder people are getting angry.”

There’s going to be a General election soon. Corbyn will probably gain power. McDonnell will be Chancellor.

Enjoy.

Good analysis. I argue that your description of the Tory “slow” road to oblivion needs revision to “quick” road to oblivion.
Only today Philip Hammond, one of the more balanced Tory ministers, declared that there are no unemployed people in the UK. Most of them at this stage need to locked away from the media. Capacity for foot in mouth is amazing.
When the next election turns up any day now, it’s gonna be a turkey shoot.

 

[Walterp]

Good analysis. I argue that your description of the Tory “slow” road to oblivion needs
When the next election turns up any day now, it’s gonna be a turkey shoot.

Hard to be sure.

The really interesting thing, I suggest, is:

1. how the (first?) Brexit referendum was the catalyst for Labour resurgence [even more interestingly, 'leave' Tory voters contest this - why?];

2. why the Tory party place Brexit as a higher priority than electoral prospects?

 

[wanton dwarf]

John McDonnell

After completing his Master of Science in Politics and Sociology at Birkbeck College, University of London,[10][11] he became a researcher and official with the National Union of Mineworkers from 1977–78, and later the Trades Union Congress from 1978–82. From 1985–87, he was head of the Policy Unit at Camden Borough Council, then chief executive of the Association of London Authorities from 1987–95 and the Association of London Government[12] from 1995–97.

Greater London Council (1981–1986)
In 1981, McDonnell was elected to the Greater London Council (GLC) as the member for Hayes and Harlington. He became the Chair of Finance, responsible for the GLC's £3,000,000,000 budget,[18] and was Ken Livingstone's deputy leader ... large-scale investment in public services; raising the issue of Ireland and arguing for a dialogue for peace; equal opportunities; police accountability. We set up a women's committee, an ethnic minorities committee".[6]

Livingstone removed McDonnell from the post of deputy leader in 1985, shortly after they came into conflict over the GLC's budget.

...

Irish Republican Army
In May 2003, he made controversial comments about the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), saying: "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA"


Far Left Extremist & Terrorist Sympathiser ... he's a scumbag.

 

[7610 super q]

Blimey...

NUM
GLC
IRA

Me no likey.

Oh well, sit back, and ride the storm, I suppose.

 

[rob1]

isnt his pension off shore ?

 

[turbo]

I thought you had spelled it wrong and he had been convicted,more anti English rubbish from you

 

[Walterp]

Blimey...

NUM
GLC
IRA

Me no likey.

Oh well, sit back, and ride the storm, I suppose.

Interesting.

Would I be correct to read this as you disapproving of the NUM, the GLC and the IRA?

That's a lot of disapproval: what have you got against each of those?

But please tread carefully - two of those were primarily English institutions....and the lattermost is Irish.

 

[turbo]

Interesting.

Would I be correct to read this as you disapproving of the NUM, the GLC and the IRA?

That's a lot of disapproval: what have you got against each of those?

Carnt believe you need to ask about the last one,murdering scum the lot of them

 

[7610 super q]

Interesting.

Would I be correct to read this as you disapproving of the NUM, the GLC and the IRA?

That's a lot of disapproval: what have you got against each of those?

But please tread carefully - at least two of those were English institutions....

The NUM finished off their own industry. ( Conco blocks off motorway bridges anyone ? )https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/01/miners-strike-taxi-driver-killed-1984

The GLC were a laughing stock.

Are you serious about the IRA ?

 

[Walterp]

Carnt believe you need to ask about the last one,murdering scum the lot of them

Would you care to explain the distinction between Theresa May's Coalition partners (the DUP) and Sinn Fein (with whom they are also in coalition in the NI Assembly)?

Which are 'murdering scum..'?


[Walterp smiles, rubs his hands and awaits an exposition on this most interesting distinction].

 

[Walterp]

The NUM finished off their own industry. ( Conco blocks off motorway bridges anyone ? )
The GLC were a laughing stock.
Are you serious about the IRA ?

1. Is there any evidence that the NUM contributed to the closure of the UK's deep mining industry? They fought against it, to be sure - is that not the opposite of your proposition?

2. The GLC was abolished as a political act (of revenge?) but, eventually, a 'mayoralty' has to be re-established, again now under Labour leadership. What does that suggest to you?

3. Sinn Fein achieved a political victory (and, probably, will go on to achieve Irish re-unification, partly thru' Brexit) so, again, what does that suggest to you?

 

[wanton dwarf]

Would you care to explain the distinction between Theresa May's Coalition partners (the DUP) and Sinn Fein (with whom they are also in coalition in the NI Assembly)?

Which are 'murdering scum..'?


[Walterp smiles, rubs his hands and awaits an exposition on this most interesting distinction].

There is an old saying.

"Two Wrongs do not make a right"

I don't give a flying one what the DUP have done or not done in the past.

If the Liebour Party had ANY morals they wouldn't be dealing with terrorists nor forcing the opposition to dealing with terrorists.

The very fact you put in writing you're willing to support the scumbags & the politics putting terrorists IN positions of power & you are "supposedly" a lawyer speaks voumes.

 

[Walterp]

If the Liebour Party had ANY morals they wouldn't be dealing with terrorists nor forcing the opposition to dealing with terrorists.

The very fact you put in writing you're willing to support the scumbags & the politics putting terrorists IN positions of power & you are "supposedly" a lawyer speaks voumes.

'If the Tory Party had ANY morals they wouldn't be dealing with terrorists nor forcing the opposition to dealing with terrorists?'

Life appears, to me, a lot more complex than it seems to you.

 

[7610 super q]

1. Is there any evidence that the NUM contributed to the closure of the UK's deep mining industry? They fought against it, to be sure - is that not the opposite of your proposition?

2. The GLC was abolished as a political act (of revenge?) but, eventually, a 'mayoralty' has to be re-established, again now under Labour leadership. What does that suggest to you?

3. Sin Fein achieved a political victory (and, probably, will go on to achieve Irish re-unification, party thru' Brexit) so, again, what does that suggest to you?

(1) Massive stockpiles (a lot of which was imported ) of coal before the strike ( the Tory government had plans to take on a major union, most likely the NUM, well before the strike had started.) Plus the year long strike itself, must have accelerated the industries demise.
(2) Waste of space. ( Not unlike WAG )
(3) You remind me of that ghastly Welsh actor Kenneth Griffith.....an IRA supporter.
" The IRA never bombed our Celtic cousins ".
" But what about that bomb in Cardiff ? "
" It was only a small one, so it didn't count. "

 

[wanton dwarf]

1. Is there any evidence that the NUM contributed to the closure of the UK's deep mining industry? They fought against it, to be sure - is that not the opposite of your proposition?

2. The GLC was abolished as a political act (of revenge?) but, eventually, a 'mayoralty' has to be re-established, again now under Labour leadership. What does that suggest to you?

3. Sin Fein achieved a political victory (and, probably, will go on to achieve Irish re-unification, party thru' Brexit) so, again, what does that suggest to you?

Arthur Scargill wanted to overthrow Thatcher & bring about a communist state.

• Political journalist Andrew Marr argues that:

"Many found Scargill inspiring; many others found him frankly scary. He had been a Communist and retained strong Marxist views and a penchant for denouncing anyone who disagreed with him as a traitor.... Scargill had indeed been elected by a vast margin and he set about turning the NUM's once moderate executive into a reliably militant group.... By adopting a position that no pits should be closed on economic grounds, even if the coal was exhausted – more investment would always find more coal, and from his point of view, the losses were irrelevant – he made sure confrontation would not be avoided. Exciting, witty Arthur Scargill brought coalmining to a close in Britain far faster than would have happened had the NUM been led by some prevaricating, dreary old-style union hack."

Doesn't that just remaind you of "John McDonnell" & "Jeremy Corbyn" ...

The GLC & Mayor of London is just another way of dividing the public & stopping them from bringing the poltical Elite to account so they can milk the public for every penny they haven't got never mind got.

If Sinn Fein had a politcial victory Ireland would be re-unified already ... unfortunately for nutters like you most people in Northern Ireland want to be in the UK. Nobody is stopping any region from leaving the UK other than the people living in those regions.

Yes that's right Walter .. most of the peopel living in Wales will not agree with your extreme views - which is a constant source of entertainment, you're always good for a laugh.

 

[wanton dwarf]

'If the Tory Party had ANY morals they wouldn't be dealing with terrorists nor forcing the opposition to dealing with terrorists?'

Life appears, to me, a lot more complex than it seems to you.

No Walter ... it's VERY simple.

I support the general public.

YOU dont.

 

[turbo]

Would you care to explain the distinction between Theresa May's Coalition partners (the DUP) and Sinn Fein (with whom they are also in coalition in the NI Assembly)?

Which are 'murdering scum..'?


[Walterp smiles, rubs his hands and awaits an exposition on this most interesting distinction].

Careful rubbing your hands it might cause some static electric and ignite your breath because to defend the ira after what they have done you must be on the drink early

 

[caveman]

The Mogg has trumped The Mac.
He's suggested the NHS should have the whole £350 million per week. A mere £20 billion odd per year.
Plenty of jobs on the way for middle management types.

 

[baabaa]

from his own mouth