The Cross slot vs 750a trial

[Clive]

I would too. You can't blame the drill for slugs.

I agree totally, however what if for example the CS plot had a bigger problem than the 750a plot given similar pressure ? surely that data is useful and proves something ?

I have definitely seen very different levels of slug resistance over the years from, combi, vaderstad, claydon, back to vaderstad and now 750a use so there is no doubt in my mind that a drill can influence how big a problem slugs are

 

[Feldspar]

I would too. You can't blame the drill for slugs.

You could if one drill creates slug highways and the other doesn't.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I've edited my bit again - you boys are too fast for me! @Clive you probably see the same things as me.

 

[dontknowanything]

I would too. You can't blame the drill for slugs.

That said I think the firming wheel on the 750 is quite effective in keeping slugs at bay a little - certainly in cereal seeding. If pushes the seed into the ground a bit more and I think it decreases slug access a little - that won't stop them nibbling shoots of course but it does help against hollowing from what I look at - you get a little bit of consolidation right in the zone.

Well, yes and no. Slugs are an established issue with CS, they'll tell you that at the factory. Doesn't mean it can't be mitigated though.

 

[dontknowanything]

I was told about a CS vs 750a trial done recently in Germany yesterday by an independant group not dissimilar to BASE UK - i think this is the trial that York alludes to in his posts

...............things didn't go well for the CS apparently, slugs ate the crop, CS blamed the management of the crop etc

Sounds like the trial York mentioned a couple of days ago?

 

[combineguy]

I had the impression that PW were selling drills based on their own design using the CS opener ? surely if they want to sell these drills they need top do some promotion ?

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They run it along side their contracting operation. So with only having one drill they cant be everywhere, and so they might as well keep the drill doing as much profitable work as possible. But im sure if you were to buy one subject to demo they would make an effort to come and drill some crops for you

But you never know if they follow what happened in the rest of the world, many CS operators become product reps for their area. Sadly im not one of them

 

[SilliamWhale]

Well, yes and no. Slugs are an established issue with CS, they'll tell you that at the factory. Doesn't mean it can't be mitigated though.

Yes, on reflection I could be wrong. I do wonder how good seed to soil contact is with a cross slot - of course cross slot theory is that its in an "environment" that's not got soil packed around the seed so it could be loose whereas the Jd pushes the seed onto the soil.

I've never been wrong before though, so I can't possibly see how it could happen this time.....

 

[dontknowanything]

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ill chip in with my CS glasses firmly on

Primewest primarily purpose is to be a contractor so why would they go way out of their local area to do a trial if they have plenty of work to do. Obviously if someone expressed alot of interest and have done previous indepth research then fair enough to tavel to give them a demo on their farm.

The first CS drill to be sold in North Dakota came after three years of research and a trip to NZ after an indepth discussion with Dr Baker and Bill Ritchie. I think the trip came within a few days of the conversation, but no drill
was purchased for a few years

No Till is still quite new in the UK when you compare them to America and Australia.

Primewest say on their website they offer "countrywide" service. I'm willing to pay for some drilling to be done, and I know some others in the area (@RBM) who would also do the same. Maybe @Feldspar too?

I think that I count as someone who has done their own research and shown an interest, so should I qualify to be allowed to pay them to come here? Maybe as my research has not always had the desired result I get disqualified, but I doubt it.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Primewest say on their website they offer "countrywide" service. I'm willing to pay for some drilling to be done, and I know some others in the area (@RBM) who would also do the same. Maybe @Feldspar too?

I think that I count as someone who has done their own research and shown an interest, so should I qualify to be allowed to pay them to come here? Maybe as my research has not always had the desired result I get disqualified, but I doubt it.

Give them a call

 

[Clive]

Sounds like the trial York mentioned a couple of days ago?

I think it probably is, CS didn't get the result they would have liked though

 

[dontknowanything]

Give them a call

I've been in contact and have been told to await a response, which I am doing.

 

[combineguy]

Primewest say on their website they offer "countrywide" service. I'm willing to pay for some drilling to be done, and I know some others in the area (@RBM) who would also do the same. Maybe @Feldspar too?

I think that I count as someone who has done their own research and shown an interest, so should I qualify to be allowed to pay them to come here? Maybe as my research has not always had the desired result I get disqualified, but I doubt it.

Im not saying that your not qualified, but if you have enough work within a suitable travel time then why travel further

 

[combineguy]

Yes, on reflection I could be wrong. I do wonder how good seed to soil contact is with a cross slot - of course cross slot theory is that its in an "environment" that's not got soil packed around the seed so it could be loose whereas the Jd pushes the seed onto the soil.

I've never been wrong before though, so I can't possibly see how it could happen this time.....

The CS will close the slot not firm the soil around the seed. so if ur not getting sufficient closure then just put some bait down the slot

 

[combineguy]

I think it probably is, CS didn't get the result they would have liked though

But if there are crop management issues, and @York mentioned that it might not have been the most well run trial with certain things done for one drill and not the other, then what can we take away

 

[dontknowanything]

But if there are crop management issues, and @York mentioned that it might not have been the most well run trial with certain things done for one drill and not the other, then what can we take away

Not much. But given we don't know the details of this trial, bit of a waste of time discussing it IMO

 

[SilliamWhale]

Not much. But given we don't know the details of this trial, bit of a waste of time discussing it IMO

All seems very secretive

 

[Clive]

I think @dontknowanything quote in this thread stands out to me.............

If a sportsman refuses to take the drug test after a race then what conclusion do we all naturally assume ??

 

[combineguy]

I think @dontknowanything quote in this thread stands out to me.............

If a sportsman refuses to take the drug test after a race then what conclusion do we all naturally assume ??

Hi

kinda long bow tho.

if there was one close by and they didnt want to enter then perhaps what was said could be true

 

[dontknowanything]

Hi

kinda long bow tho.

if there was one close by and they didnt want to enter then perhaps what was said could be true

I do agree with this, I'm happy to give CS and Primewest the benefit of the doubt, let's wait and see what happens over the coming weeks.

 

[RBM]

Primewest say on their website they offer "countrywide" service. I'm willing to pay for some drilling to be done, and I know some others in the area (@RBM) who would also do the same. Maybe @Feldspar too?

I think that I count as someone who has done their own research and shown an interest, so should I qualify to be allowed to pay them to come here? Maybe as my research has not always had the desired result I get disqualified, but I doubt it.

I think seeing a machine working on your own ground is pretty vital, especially if you are basing a purchase decision as crucial as this one. It would be great to see a CS in action on our soils, I would be reluctant to commit to a purchase without having seen it on our own farm.