The Dangers of Soya

[Scribus]

I read a lot of homeopathy books when I first went Organic & basically if you want healthy stock feed them grass , feeding any cereals has a detrimental effect.
Cows on higher forage based systems live longer & healthier.
The same homeopathy books said human health sufferers to with higher cereal intake & studies show a increase in heart problems as cultures adopt vegetable oils for cooking! Not something Nestle & Unilever want you to know about.

Indeed, yet the food industry are busy telling us that olive oil is just grand with a recent advert campaign showing mature Italians leaping about the groves with the saucy suggestion that they will also be leaping into each others beds.

I to think that our health is rather more dependent on the details of our diet than is generally given credence yet it all boils down to corporations and the mega money involved in feeding the world. It is also worth noting that as causes of death from non dietary linked diseases decline and we all live longer then dietary factors become ever more prominent as a health factor and a key to longevity. It is a sobering thought that life expectancy in the US is actually declining with one cause, directly related to diet, being obesity.

One major feature of humanity is that we are all different and will react differently to various foods, and it might not just be our physiological makeup. Dosing the young with all sorts of drugs and vaccines may be affecting their future health in ways unknown while the bacterial colonies within our gut are also being held responsible for variations in health. It is a mighty complex field littered with concerned science, corrupt science and huge amounts of money so we can't expect any clarity just yet, if ever.

 

[Muddyroads]

There’s a reason why menopausal women are encouraged to consume soya products, the higher levels of oestrogen helps to replace what is otherwise declining. These high levels must have an impact on younger people. Funny how there’s been so much pressure to reduce intake of processed meat, yet eating processed plants is ok?
This message is far stronger in my opinion against the “plant based diet” brigade than meat producers trying to promote meat. We need to get people thinking about everything they eat, not just what EatLancet want people to focus on because it doesn’t suit their agenda.

 

[ollie989898]

There’s a reason why menopausal women are encouraged to consume soya products, the higher levels of oestrogen helps to replace what is otherwise declining. These high levels must have an impact on younger people. Funny how there’s been so much pressure to reduce intake of processed meat, yet eating processed plants is ok?
This message is far stronger in my opinion against the “plant based diet” brigade than meat producers trying to promote meat. We need to get people thinking about everything they eat, not just what EatLancet want people to focus on because it doesn’t suit their agenda.

I don't believe there is enough phyto-oestrogens in soya to get anything like enough into a woman's body.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I read a very interesting study a few years ago about the incidence of asthma around a big port in Turkey where they off-loaded millions of tonnes of soya per year. If I can find it again I will post it. Basically the dust that arose from the handling of the product was causing asthma rates to rocket.

Snap, I have read that report too.

 

[som farmer]

wow ! had no idea about all that !
Goes a long way to explain why vegan/veggie brigade react like they do !
As a family, we do not eat much processed meals, and try to have a balanced diet.
If this article went round the public, I have no doubt it would be subject to ridicule, simply because industry has a huge vested interest in V products etc.
The suggestion that it may influence gender selection, is dynamite, but would explain a lot of things !
It is interesting to note, that super/mkts etc are encouraging us to move away from soya. But I expect for 'save the planet' reasons.
If this paper was to go to the gen public, for full benefit, it should be backed up by other studies, and experts, otherwise, it would be ridiculed, and an important paper would be wasted, and, as it is so anti soya, I would like to see further varication.
If you combined it with palm oil, and almond, products, it would surely cause a revolution in the V camp !

 

[Scribus]

wow ! had no idea about all that !
Goes a long way to explain why vegan/veggie brigade react like they do !
As a family, we do not eat much processed meals, and try to have a balanced diet.
If this article went round the public, I have no doubt it would be subject to ridicule, simply because industry has a huge vested interest in V products etc.
The suggestion that it may influence gender selection, is dynamite, but would explain a lot of things !
It is interesting to note, that super/mkts etc are encouraging us to move away from soya. But I expect for 'save the planet' reasons.
If this paper was to go to the gen public, for full benefit, it should be backed up by other studies, and experts, otherwise, it would be ridiculed, and an important paper would be wasted, and, as it is so anti soya, I would like to see further varication.
If you combined it with palm oil, and almond, products, it would surely cause a revolution in the V camp !

With reference to gender selection there is evidence that exposure to radio waves will increase the likelihood of men fathering more girls and it is known that jet fighter pilots, for instance, tend to have more daughters, and they sit behind a damn great radar. Still, I'm sure 5G is nothing to worry about despite it being the next best thing to radar.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I don't believe there is enough phyto-oestrogens in soya to get anything like enough into a woman's body.

So fudge....meat doesn’t kill you but the vegans give you all the bull sh!t

 

[lloyd]

wow ! had no idea about all that !
Goes a long way to explain why vegan/veggie brigade react like they do !
As a family, we do not eat much processed meals, and try to have a balanced diet.
If this article went round the public, I have no doubt it would be subject to ridicule, simply because industry has a huge vested interest in V products etc.
The suggestion that it may influence gender selection, is dynamite, but would explain a lot of things !
It is interesting to note, that super/mkts etc are encouraging us to move away from soya. But I expect for 'save the planet' reasons.
If this paper was to go to the gen public, for full benefit, it should be backed up by other studies, and experts, otherwise, it would be ridiculed, and an important paper would be wasted, and, as it is so anti soya, I would like to see further varication.
If you combined it with palm oil, and almond, products, it would surely cause a revolution in the V camp !

Som what's your thoughts of removing soya from the uk feed
Industry ?
At the moment the uk imports approx 1.5mil tons for animal feed.
This could be replaced in a much bigger acreage of home grown proteins.
I know soya is a twice the protein level at the moment but could
we look at improving the protein content of field beans ,peas and lupins?
We as UK farmers could demand it under enviromental and health reasons?
The next step would be to ban imported foods containing high percentages
of soya.

We would then be on the path to having the most sustainable
food in the world.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I read a lot of homeopathy books when I first went Organic & basically if you want healthy stock feed them grass , feeding any cereals has a detrimental effect.
Cows on higher forage based systems live longer & healthier.
The same homeopathy books said human health sufferers to with higher cereal intake & studies show a increase in heart problems as cultures adopt vegetable oils for cooking! Not something Nestle & Unilever want you to know about.

I can vouch for that.

I could never get a handle on my mental health until basically cutting flour and suchlike from my diet; now I'm proper again, I can be irrational anytime I like!

So I'm in no real hurry to argue with any of this, as my understanding of how things work (especially the world) grows the greatest scams of history are just below the surface... our time will come

Sugar, sodium, starch, soy, and the blame lies squarely with red meat and animal fat!!

Who would have thought it.

 

[SteveHants]

I'd like to see some peer-reviewed evidence for this (as much as I'd like to believe it) her website doesn't exactly fill me with confidence....

 

[Treg]

Som what's your thoughts of removing soya from the uk feed
Industry ?
At the moment the uk imports approx 1.5mil tons for animal feed.
This could be replaced in a much bigger acreage of home grown proteins.
I know soya is a twice the protein level at the moment but could
we look at improving the protein content of field beans ,peas and lupins?
We as farmers could demand it under enviromental and health reasons?
The next step would be to ban imported foods containing high percentages
of soya.

We would then be on the path to having the most sustainable
food in the world.

I would say it would be a step in the right direction, we complain about food imports then import food ourselves

 

[2wheels]

Yes, if that blog is accurate it’s wants spreading far and wide.

Perhaps some farming organisation should get some independent testing and verification along with some peer reviews done to give it some weight.

doesn't have to be accurate. there is plenty of inaccurate bulls**t put out about farming.

 

[Treg]

I'd like to see some peer-reviewed evidence for this (as much as I'd like to believe it) her website doesn't exactly fill me with confidence....

Well it's not good for rats apparently...

Rat Feeding Study Suggests the Impossible Burger May Not Be Safe to Eat - GMOScience

Rats fed the genetically modified yeast-derived protein soy leghemoglobin – the burger’s key ingredient – developed unexplained weight gain and signs of toxicity. Report by Claire Robinson and Michael Antoniou, PhD

www.gmoscience.org

 

[SteveHants]

Well it's not good for rats apparently...

Rat Feeding Study Suggests the Impossible Burger May Not Be Safe to Eat - GMOScience

Rats fed the genetically modified yeast-derived protein soy leghemoglobin – the burger’s key ingredient – developed unexplained weight gain and signs of toxicity. Report by Claire Robinson and Michael Antoniou, PhD

www.gmoscience.org

That's a start -the initial website linked to looked about one step removed from "healing crystals" - I shall have a read.

 

[delilah]

Well it's not good for rats apparently...

Rat Feeding Study Suggests the Impossible Burger May Not Be Safe to Eat - GMOScience

Rats fed the genetically modified yeast-derived protein soy leghemoglobin – the burger’s key ingredient – developed unexplained weight gain and signs of toxicity. Report by Claire Robinson and Michael Antoniou, PhD

www.gmoscience.org

Only a longer-term study with a larger number of animals can clarify the significance of the worrying effects seen

that'll be us then.

 

[Scribus]

Only a longer-term study with a larger number of animals can clarify the significance of the worrying effects seen

that'll be us then.

But we won't be informed of the results.

 

[som farmer]

Som what's your thoughts of removing soya from the uk feed
Industry ?
At the moment the uk imports approx 1.5mil tons for animal feed.
This could be replaced in a much bigger acreage of home grown proteins.
I know soya is a twice the protein level at the moment but could
we look at improving the protein content of field beans ,peas and lupins?
We as UK farmers could demand it under enviromental and health reasons?
The next step would be to ban imported foods containing high percentages
of soya.

We would then be on the path to having the most sustainable
food in the world.

we use the rape alternatives, our buyer has already shown soya concerns ! Hopefully, this winter should be the last, for buying blends, next, just cake and silage. And soya inclusion in cake, is low.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

we use the rape alternatives, our buyer has already shown soya concerns ! Hopefully, this winter should be the last, for buying blends, next, just cake and silage. And soya inclusion in cake, is low.

Rape isn’t as good as soya, and quality isn’t as consistent

 

[lloyd]

Rape isn’t as good as soya, and quality isn’t as consistent

Yep but if soya fed imported beef was off the menu
no one could claim your beef was damaging the planet
and you would have a great USP and a market with less
competition.
Dont forget the BBC 'meat a threat to our planet' attacked
beef because it was fed on slash and burn soya .
We could distance ourselves from that.
Secondly intensive white meat in this country
is the main market for animal soya feed but
strangely enough little or nothing is said.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

There are even greater risks from Soya dust as in a recent article about viral diseases spread in pigs by a scientist Scott Dee. He researched a pig disease PEDV which mysteriously arrived in the USA in 2013 and was previously unknown outside of Asia. While bio security of humans and equipment is very strict in US pig units, less thought was put into feed.

Unbelievably the USA imported milled Soya from China and it has now been established that virus can live in the dust for long periods and it is presumed that this is how PEDV arrived, biosecurity in Chinese feed mills and soya storage leaves a lot to be desired with pigs openly having access to the storage areas. More worryingly is that another much more serious virus ASF could also be transmitted in this way and that really would cause a giant problem for us and the EU.

So the point about there being a time for us to have a discussion about the use of Soya is very appropriate and while yes it will increase costs for the pig and poultry sector it is probably less of an issue for the beef and dairy sector. It would also have a positive effect on the price of peas and beans etc.
While the outcome of the election will be critical it may be we have to put our own house in order to preserve the high quality market we have without cutting down the rain forest for more soya!