One observation was the quality and number of buildings at the farm with the calves suckling the cows. The money needed for that sort of infrastructure is massive so can his new idea cover that type of investment or will the whole thing end in crocodile tears just like his interview. I also see they are trying to capitalise on the program with their fb page as well ‘ the ethical dairy ‘
The dark side of dairy
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DocPhil001
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We have cleared after 18 years under restrictions. So there is hope!
Massive Srdp grant for set up, 100k government grant to progress ethical cheese business and now looking for crowd funding. Has one of the most successful ice cream businesses in Scotland and visitor centre.
Clay52
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While dairy farming has plenty of challenges (price, weather, water, land ect) I think public image is going to be the biggest one in the near future. Farmers are their own worst enemy in regards to it as well.
Sure people making these “documentaries” don’t have a clue and diary is clearly misrepresented but the majority of the general population don’t know that.
Sure people making these “documentaries” don’t have a clue and diary is clearly misrepresented but the majority of the general population don’t know that.
I watched dairy after dairy closing down in Dorset when I lived there and also saw the fields empty of cows. For a country boy it was tragic to see and the knowledge that our farmers had been sacrificed for cheap imported EU milk was pretty sickening. I know I am not alone..
I don't know your views on Brexit, but I think there is a huge groundswell of affection among people to see our dairies up and running again and to have locally produced milk at the front of shop shelves.
You might feel 'unloved' right now but I genuinely think that your day is yet to come.
farmer on a bike
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To be fair I have as a child when my Dad used to keep the calves with the cows for 4 days before he separated them and then they were often in kept loose boxes beside the collecting yard. Some of them would make a huge fuss for days. Removing within 24 hours stopped all that and caused less stress for both mother and calf in the long run.
Woolless
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- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
Yes, removing them before they have bonded properly must be a good thing. What is the maternal instinct of your average dairy cow like? I would have thought, as there's no selection on those grounds, that most would have a 'take it or leave it' attitude at best towards their calves?
Hilly
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Ive sucklers that can bawl for 3 days after weaning a 9 month calf, whats the difference 9 month or straight away, when bairns are adopted they don`t leave the baby with the mother for 9 month before removing it. Has to be done at some point. It was shambolic reporting.
Dave6170
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P and o to stop ferrying calves immediately.
on reporting scotland news now.
on reporting scotland news now.
TheRanger
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- SW Scotland
How are they defining "calves"?
Woolless
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- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
It's bloody pathetic. A bit of adverse publicity and some leverage from pressure groups and government and big companies cave in.
Happyheifer
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Best bit lads, NFU Scotland have done a bit of detective work and apparently, the calves they filmed in the market weren't even from Scotland either. Looks like they did more research than the journalist on this one. Although, going by the lorry b**** up it doesn't look like that would have been hard https://www.agriland.co.uk/farming-...alves-in-the-market-were-not-scottish-calves/
jimmer
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- East Devon
Scoobyscotlad
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Why did the investigating journalist not visit Scottish marts?
Because she would be instantly recognised?
Because she would be instantly recognised?
It's the BBC... they will travel anywhere in the world to rake up muck.
Staffed by vegans, veggies and left wing nutjobs, farming will only ever get a bad press from the BBC.
aloadofbull
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Just brought it up on iPlayer apparently they’ve changed the footage on some of it. I’ve watched 2 mins gave up
So, here you have it, policy is effectively being made by the BBC. They sanction a reporter to make a documentary purporting to be an accurate reflection on the subject. Result: P & O stop exporting immediately. No due process. No right to reply. No informed debate. The Scottish Government is off the hook as they have side stepped a contentious issue. This is not how a democracy should work. Farmers afraid to put their heads above the parapet. If we choose to quietly ignore this as it is a difficult issue we will reap far worse in later years as by so doing we are effectively handing the agenda to ideologues who think the end justifies the means. Today dairy calf exports, tomorrow.... Zero grazing, de horning, beak trimming, castration, Badgers, Game sooting, the list will be endless as when one is dealt with another will be added.
When a society is content to abandon their custom (due process and democracy hard won over hundreds of years) in favour of propaganda and ideology, serious trouble will follow not far behind. Russian gulags and German concentration camps were all because it was believed the ends justified the means.
When a society is content to abandon their custom (due process and democracy hard won over hundreds of years) in favour of propaganda and ideology, serious trouble will follow not far behind. Russian gulags and German concentration camps were all because it was believed the ends justified the means.